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So....what do you do if you've accepted a short term contract for the summer, but then another job you applied for but couldn't confirm gets back in touch and offers you another job which is for longer...but runs at the same time as the other contract? I haven't signed anything as of yet.
 
So....what do you do if you've accepted a short term contract for the summer, but then another job you applied for but couldn't confirm gets back in touch and offers you another job which is for longer...but runs at the same time as the other contract? I haven't signed anything as of yet.

i may be late to this, but it's not unknown for people to accept a job then turn it down before starting.

technically, even if you have signed something, then the notice period still applies, although i can't imagine any employer insisting on you starting while you're already working out your notice.

as with most things in life, it doesn't do any harm to be professional about it - you never quite know when you will encounter any particular individual again (especially if you're in a smallish line of work)
 
would be central london (so commutable from here short term, could move back somewhere sensible at some point), more money than i'm on now (and that's to start) and decent pension scheme.

:hmm:

what's going to go wrong?

i've had to go through the asking for references phase.

(potential) new employer says that's all fine, but they are now being very quiet about a starting date, and current employer wants me to confirm when i'm going.

think i'd better get back to hunting.

bugger.
 
What sort of questions are useful to ask before you apply for a job, if the job app info says 'contact so and so for more info about the position'?

I've got lots of questions, but would usually only think to ask them at interview.

Are there pre-interview/pre-application questions that make an interview more likely?

Job I'm currently looking at is fixed term. I'm currently permanent. Is likelihood of permanence at end of fixed term a pre-application kinda reasonable question thing?

Does it matter if I don't ask anything in advance?
 
What sort of questions are useful to ask before you apply for a job, if the job app info says 'contact so and so for more info about the position'?

increasingly rare to have the chance for that - there's one or two things i've got as far as interview for, and had there been a chance for an informal chat, i'd have probably found out things that would have stopped me wasting any more of their / my time.

probably worth clarifying (if it's not clear from the advert etc) job location, hours and so on to make sure you still want to apply (one of the ones i'm thinking of was something that sounded like - but didn't state - office hours from the advert, but would have been shift based and would have been too close for comfort to first / last trains between where i was and where they were.)

Job I'm currently looking at is fixed term. I'm currently permanent. Is likelihood of permanence at end of fixed term a pre-application kinda reasonable question thing?

think it's reasonable to ask why it's fixed term - is it maternity / sabbatical leave cover or something like that? is it the sort of thing that is grant funded for X amount of time? are they expecting to close that site / relocate? - and what their plans are at the end of that time.

the prospect of leaving a permanent job for a temporary one is a bit alarming. depends on your line of work, how 'permanent' the current job really is (and how eager you are to leave it - although that's rarely a line you should come out with to potential new employers) and how much good the year (or whatever) in this one could do for your prospects, but may be worth bearing in mind that if it gets to interview, they may be wondering just why you're going for it, in the same way interviewers can wonder why you're going for something you appear 'over-qualified' for.

Are there pre-interview/pre-application questions that make an interview more likely?

dunno really. there's probably something clever you could say but i'm not having any bright ideas.

presume you can do a bit of research on the organisation before calling - without wanting you to say what line of work you're in / what organisation this is, there might be an 'i see from your website / trade press that you're doing this thing, can you tell me a bit more about that aspect of it?' question or two you could ask.
 
increasingly rare to have the chance for that - there's one or two things i've got as far as interview for, and had there been a chance for an informal chat, i'd have probably found out things that would have stopped me wasting any more of their / my time.

probably worth clarifying (if it's not clear from the advert etc) job location, hours and so on to make sure you still want to apply (one of the ones i'm thinking of was something that sounded like - but didn't state - office hours from the advert, but would have been shift based and would have been too close for comfort to first / last trains between where i was and where they were.)



think it's reasonable to ask why it's fixed term - is it maternity / sabbatical leave cover or something like that? is it the sort of thing that is grant funded for X amount of time? are they expecting to close that site / relocate? - and what their plans are at the end of that time.

the prospect of leaving a permanent job for a temporary one is a bit alarming. depends on your line of work, how 'permanent' the current job really is (and how eager you are to leave it - although that's rarely a line you should come out with to potential new employers) and how much good the year (or whatever) in this one could do for your prospects, but may be worth bearing in mind that if it gets to interview, they may be wondering just why you're going for it, in the same way interviewers can wonder why you're going for something you appear 'over-qualified' for.



dunno really. there's probably something clever you could say but i'm not having any bright ideas.

presume you can do a bit of research on the organisation before calling - without wanting you to say what line of work you're in / what organisation this is, there might be an 'i see from your website / trade press that you're doing this thing, can you tell me a bit more about that aspect of it?' question or two you could ask.
Thank you for that. Very helpful.

I've got a couple of extra questions from your reply already: why is it fixed term and what their plans are at the end of the term. Both things I want to know but hadn't thought of explicitly.

They're good with the details of working patterns and flexibility. There's a backstory about why I want to go for it that they're somewhat aware of already. I think I'm qualified, but there's a potential margin of over or under that I'm not sure of, as I don't have much experience of how to apply for this kind of job. I have experience (some extensive) of all the things they ask for, but don't know what applications from people who get this kind of job look like, iyswim.
 
well...

the one who never made contact with me after the interview some months ago are now re-advertising the post. this time asking for people with 2 years' experience of using some specialised software that i don't think anyone in the UK outside their group actually uses. (experience of it was 'desirable' when i applied.)

good luck with that...

but

the one who got as far as references have now confirmed it's a definite offer, so i'm starting there in august

:)
 
Exciting news today is that my boss has now secured the role she’s acting up in on a permanent basis, which means her substantive role is now available, which means in a few weeks it will be advertised and then I can apply for it.

One of the other supervisors has told me they will check my application is pukka before submitting it.
 
One of the other supervisors has told me they will check my application is pukka before submitting it.

i think i may have said this before, but worth establishing what basis the application is on.

in public sector, it is usually the case that you need to do application / interview on the same basis as anyone from outside / other departments, and there is a heffalump trap of thinking "i don't need to say what i do, they know me"
 
Yes, you sent a really useful message a while back.

My colleague told me they applied for a job a while back and one of the key requirements was driving. They wrote in their application “I have a full UK driving licence” and scored top points for that section. Apparently no-one else did as they assumed people would know they drove! Illustrates your point quite well I think.

Nice one on your job offer!
 
I am never off this thread! Have a bit of a decision to make and would appreciate any input.

So back in March I interviewed with and was offered a summer contract with a so called top university (A). This is due to start in August - however, they're yet to confirm which courses I'll teach and whether it will be online or face to face so I don't know whether I can stay where I am or would need to relocate.

They also have a strange (to me) system where it's hourly paid and you have to complete weekly timesheets (rather than just a regular contract). Anticipated weekly rate is very good (but could they just not give me many hours, leaving me with much less money?) They also blanked me for about a month, leaving me panicking about having no work at all.

As I was panicking, I applied for another (short term) job last week, interviewed, and have been offered the position. A different uni (B), not nearly as prestigious, but the role will be completely online, teaching something I know and specialise in. It's a regular fixed term contract. I have to let them know by tomorrow. Taking this job means I know what I'm doing, BUT I'll have to turn down the other job, and will also have to deal with juggling all sorts of my other classes around, potentially annoying one of my major year round sources of work.

I think my choices are:

1. Say no to B, stick with A (the great unknown)
2. Say yes to B, say nothing to A yet
3. Yes yes to B, contact A and say I will be unable to take up the post

How do I decide?
 
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How do I decide?

dunno really.

big question is what if you say no to B, and then A doesn't happen?

you know your financial position and the jobs market for what you do, i don't. is it a big deal if you end up having to wait for C to come along?

from my reading of what you're saying, B is more long term (A is a 'summer contract'?), B is more guaranteed hours (so far as anything in this life is guaranteed) and doesn't mean relocating (would the costs and hassle of this be worth any financial gain?), so from where i'm sitting (you know all the facts, i don't) B sounds a better bet, apart from possibly annoying one of your existing major sources of work. (would A have the same effect? - or worse if you have to move?) Is the (possibly short term) gain of taking B worth risking your existing client for?

and the possible 'prestige' of A - how big a thing might that be in the future? having said that, organisations that think they are prestigious - or some of the people in them - can be fairly obnoxious. again, you know more about your line of country than i do.

may as well leave your options open with A as long as you can rather than say no while they are still thinking about it. with it all being (possibly) remote and sounds like it may all be freelance, would there be a combination of A and B that's possible?
 
Thanks Puddy_Tat
I don't think a C will come along. They are both short term summer jobs and summer is when I have the opportunity to make some proper money (as opposed to dribs and drabs the rest of the year.)

I am making B sound better, aren't I. Hmm.

The idea of doing both jobs simultaneously is an interesting one, but probably wouldn't work as teaching hours tend to be similar.

I'm leaning towards saying yes to B and putting that into motion. Perhaps in the meantime A will decide what's going on.
 
I'm vaguely casting around for my next move (being fortunate enough to be in a job right now) but fucking hell can people put salaries?! In publishing it is really hard to tell salary by job title, especially if you don't know the size/budget of the organisation, because the same job title can mean so many different things. Senior editor/managing editor in some places could pay way less than I earn now, but in others a lot more, but I don't want to go through the faff of applying only to be told it's the same or less money.
 
oh heck

never really managed to get any sort of break between old job and new job (pressure of work in previous job, and mum-tat health related stuff)

new job is fully office based and because of the stuff that went on, the plan at least to set the wheels in motion to move house before starting never happened.

2 weeks in and i'm knackered already.

it's going to be better to walk out soon and pretend it never happened rather than last a few months in the job and have to put it on the CV, isn't it?
 
well...

I didn't quite have the courage to walk away from it then, but it's since become fairly clear that new job isn't secure.

suppose it's as well that i didn't set wheels in motion to move house, but this was probably the last chance to move back to london.

not sure if it's better to start job hunting now with current job being less than 3 months, or to wait for the chop. i've seen something that looks good except it's round the luton sort of patch (they are quite flexible about work from home-ing so wouldn't have to move house straight off - might mean one long day a week which i can cope with)

MEH
 
Why do jobs tell you at interview that they'll get back to you within a week, and then don't? Almost two weeks now, and I have a whole series of decisions to make that depend on knowing the outcome.

Two weeks now :mad: :rolleyes: :confused:

Shocking how they treat people like this. Total disrespect. 🙁

:(

from experience, it almost invariably takes longer than they say it will

may be post-covid it's more difficult to get people together to make any sort of decision.

a long delay can mean that you're second choice / reserve, but they are waiting for first choice to say yes / get through references and so on.

having said that, i've not heard anything yet following an interview i did about a year ago. i think i can probably take that as a no...
 
July. It's only a short contract but you never know, could lead to more. Then I have more work somewhere else in September and October. So all round, it's been a good day for responses from job applications.
Long may your luck continue!

I've got a couple of months work taking calls on the 119 helpline. I start Monday and will be working from home again.
 
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