tear open the price tag if you still have that. there's an RFID chip inside.
The end of cash?
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emanymton
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To an extent, although I see why some may not like the shift. But ultimately once you are over that hurddle it is simply better for many of the groups we are told it is excluding. If you are elderly are disabled surely contactless is easier than messing about with cash? And no need to travel extra just to get the cash out.
I don't think it is much of a real issue anyway outside of maybe some small independent shops (which tend to be more expensive anyway) and gimmicks like the Aldi one I don't see any food ships that are cashless. There are certainly shops that make it hard as you have to track down a member of staff to open a till or whatever but I have never seen one that will not take cash. Maybe it is different in London?
UnderOpenSky
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My Dad had Parkinson's and certainly found using contactless from his mobility scooter much easier.
As yet it's not the supermarkets that have gone card only, it's normally more pubs and similar where I've seen cash not accepted.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, they're not excluding themselves at all; the retailer refusing to accept cash payment is the source of exclusion.
mojo pixy
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Vegans are by choice excluding themselves from the menu, why should I cater to them?
UnderOpenSky
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But they've made the choice?
I mean I grumble when I get caught out by somewhere cash only and I haven't got my wallet, but it was my decision not to carry it.
UnderOpenSky
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No reason unless you want the business.
mojo pixy
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So the same goes for accepting or not accepting cash** then. You want the custom, or you don't.
**As well as 'cash only' obvs.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, but I'd imagine that decision was not based on a retailer asking you to hand over your wallet before allowing you to enter their premises?
emanymton
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So if a retailer is cash only they are excluded people who are card only?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well, yes...of course. Why the urge to blame the victim?
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
I think we have different interpretations of exclusion and victim in that case.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
But that's not the same as being excluded. If someone has no access to a bank card then yes they are. If they choose not to use, that's a choice
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Possibly so.
From my perspective, if a consumer of physiological needs (food etc.) rocks up with a valid, legal means of purchasing their needs and is excluded by the retailer's choice, I can see only one victim, tbh.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I'll let my old mum know how you feel.
Combustible
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That's a different thing. There's a sesame credit score (芝麻信用) that is run by Alipay which as you say is like a credit rating but I think more for smaller stuff rather than mortgages.
The social credit score for individuals is not a thing and most people are genuinely baffled/amused by all the weird reports in foreign media about it. Companies have what is called a social credit number which AFAIK is mainly related to civil debts.
And if going cashless is part of the plan for a dystopian society, it's a bit strange that China legally requires businesses to accept cash.
No it isn't at all. That was the health code system put in place during covid which no longer exists.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Do you feel you are excluded?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes; when i'm not allowed in a shop to use cash as a payment.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
But not for every other business that doesn't take cash?
mojo pixy
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Right, then I'll come back to the vegan analogy. A cafe not catering to vegans isn't excluding vegans, because actually they're excluding themselves. And obviously that's up to the business runner, but it's probably a bad business strategy and in any case isn't very inclusive.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
What point are you trying to make?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I think the majority of people who claim they are excluded aren't.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Interesting; I'm genuinely not sure I've ever seen figures on this. What are you basing your views on?
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I was curious about what counted as excluded so we could look for figures for how many people can't use card payments.
gosub
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Which they abused to try and stop a bankrun
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Those sort of stats are are readily available. I think the last official UK Govt data put those of us that use cash for most things or for everything at about 6% of the population. But I'm not really sure why the exact figure is that important; if retailers increasingly move to cashless models those people will be increasingly excluded from the ability to buy their food. That's a category difference to card folks who rock up to a rural event with no WiFI who are occasionally inconvenienced because they haven't carried their wallet.
But how are these people getting hold of cash without a card? (Someone) going to bank or post office? I’d imagine a card must be linked to the account. So they’re choosing not to use it. That’s not excluded by the retailer/society. Anyone can get a contactless card. And it’s clearly easier than cash. Choosing not to use it because you don’t understand how the technology works - neither do I - is not a realistic reason for a society to adjust behaviour.
liquidindian
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2.1% are unbanked, a significant number but down on 2017. It's time for an Enlightenment on financial inclusion.
UnderOpenSky
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Because its not the same stat. Hence my post. 6% choosing to use cash is not the same as unable to pay via another method.
emanymton
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I'm genuinely mystified how you function in society without some kind of account, unless you work strictly cash in hand.
I think that figure is a bit misleading as well, while not ideal I imagine a number of those people use a parent or partner's account.
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