The Dominic Cummings file

[planetgeli]

The press articles are certainly written that way, but the police wouldn't have volunteered the information without being asked, presumably by the press, and it was the press that revealed it. AFAIK the police didn't make it public first.

Yep, I get what you're saying, which is why I put the caveat in about 'when did the Guardian know this'. As the investigation was across two newspapers I find it as hard to understand how they managed to keep the investigation to themselves for so long as I do in believing they didn't ask the police for this information well before the story was published.

Murky world of the press eh?

 

[Roadkill]

Clearly thinks it looks damning if he did stop but wants not to be shown to be a liar by denying it and it comes out later that he had. Particularly if he stopped on the way up, fuelling up for a long journey.

He was unequivocal that he didn't stop on the way north. Given that that would be an easy lie to disprove - all garage forecourts have CCTV, after all - I reckon it's probably true. Well, true to the extent that he didn't stop for fuel: there's still the question of a four-year-old's bladder on a 260-mile drive...

 

[8ball]

Pretty sure I've seen that suggestion already. He was hardly going to admit duty evasion on top of everything else though, was he!

If Dom Cumming's Dad is anything like mine, he'd know the battle over turning down the red diesel on ethical grounds wouldn't be worth the grief, so don't feel right adding that to the charge sheet myself.

 

[bimble]

The only kind of defence I’ve seen on the internet these last says has been a general furious attack stance against journalists as a whole and individually. It might be a loud but very small number of people doing that (hashtag scum media etc) but it is I think a really dangerous thing. Strange times when defending the ruling party line against the media is the transgressive thing to be doing.

 

[8ball]

The only kind of defence I’ve seen on the internet these last says has been a general furious attack stance against journalists as a whole and individually. It might be a loud but very small number of people doing that (hashtag scum media etc) but it is I think a very bad and dangerous thing. Strange times when defending the ruling party line against the media is the transgressive thing to be doing.

It certainly is. The media are a fucking disgrace, though.
I wish they could all lose

 

[equationgirl]

Haven't enjoyed politics this much since the MPs expenses scandal, I think.

 

[Roadkill]

If Dom Cumming's Dad is anything like mine, he'd know the battle over turning down the red diesel on ethical grounds wouldn't be worth the grief, so don't feel right adding that to the charge sheet myself.

Yes, I agree. I think red diesel is a red herring here, and the real issue is the fuel stop which he might or might not have made on the way back. The evidence to prove that either way may not exist now though.

 

[bimble]

It certainly is. The media are a fucking disgrace, though.
I wish they could all lose

The woman who (I think) broke this story is not a disgrace and I’d be frightened to walk to the shop if I was her. Anyway, the days of looking down on the weird Americans from our much more sensible little island are definitely over isn’t it.

 

[two sheds]

Bastard probably siphoned off his dad's diesel

 

[8ball]

Haven't enjoyed politics this much since the MPs expenses scandal, I think.

Was that before or after Thatcher dying?

 

[Roadkill]

The only kind of defence I’ve seen on the internet these last says has been a general furious attack stance against journalists as a whole and individually. It might be a loud but very small number of people doing that (hashtag scum media etc) but it is I think a really dangerous thing. Strange times when defending the ruling party line against the media is the transgressive thing to be doing.

It's not strange really: it's part of exactly the same pattern we've seen in the States. Tbf 'the media' can and often does behave appallingly and most of the red tops, especially, are a disgrace, but this generalised attack on all journalists is dangerous.

 

[8ball]

The woman who (I think) broke this story is not a disgrace and I’d be frightened to walk to the shop if I was her. Anyway, the days of looking down on the weird Americans from our much more sensible little island are definitely over isn’t it.

I think we might be talking about different things.

 

[8ball]

It's not strange really: it's part of exactly the same pattern we've seen in the States. Tbf 'the media' can and often does behave appallingly and most of the red tops, especially, are a disgrace, but this generalised attack on all journalists is dangerous.

There's always one good apple.

 

[bimble]

It's not strange really: it's part of exactly the same pattern we've seen in the States. Tbf 'the media' can and often does behave appallingly and most of the red tops, especially, are a disgrace, but this generalised attack on all journalists is dangerous.

Yep exactly like the American situation. There was a bit of this around brexit but never seen it quite like this before.

 

[teuchter]

The only kind of defence I’ve seen on the internet these last says has been a general furious attack stance against journalists as a whole and individually. It might be a loud but very small number of people doing that (hashtag scum media etc) but it is I think a really dangerous thing. Strange times when defending the ruling party line against the media is the transgressive thing to be doing.

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[Roadkill]

Haven't enjoyed politics this much since the MPs expenses scandal, I think.

Tbh I can't remember a time when I've been as glued to live news since the July 2005 bombings - and since on that day a lot of the news media started creaking under the strain I followed that mainly on here. now there's Twitter, live feeds on every news website, etc etc. It's done bugger all for my productivity over the last few days.

 

[Roadkill]

Yep exactly like the American situation. There was a bit of this around brexit but never seen it quite like this before.

It does seem to have stepped up a gear, doesn't it. But it's the same phenomenon, coming from the same places and orchestrated by many of the same people, I think.

 

[planetgeli]

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That petition repeats the claim that his son has special needs. A claim even Cummings wasn't low enough to try. So that's pretty low.

 

[two sheds]

It does seem to have stepped up a gear, doesn't it. But it's the same phenomenon, coming from the same places and orchestrated by many of the same people, I think.

And telling that most weren't at all bothered when the media was piling into Corbyn and Labour.

 

[equationgirl]

Was that before or after Thatcher dying?

Good question, think expenses was 2008 or 2009, thatch died in 2013.

 

[gosub]

Go for the line as an ex-soldier and ardent supporter of Brexit but ....

Fuck off trying to bring Brexit into this, 70% ain't happy (understandably) and its fuck all to with Brexit

 

[8ball]

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Great choice of photo.

 

[8ball]

Fuck off trying to bring Brexit into this, 70% ain't happy (understandably) and its fuck all to with Brexit

I think you've totally misunderstood what was going on in that post.

 

[equationgirl]

Somewhat dwarfed by the number of people demanding his resignation, teuchter ...

 

[cupid_stunt]

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[phillm]

Let them eat chicken.

Come on chaps. It's not all bad. You can come and have some chicken.

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Ah the good old days when we could spray microorganisms over each other with abandon....I miss those days come back soon.

 

[keybored]

Pretty sure I've seen that suggestion already. He was hardly going to admit duty evasion on top of everything else though, was he!

It's not duty evasion, it's following fatherly instincts.

 

[Teaboy]

Why would stopping for fuel on the way home be an issue? Presumably he and the family had already done their quarantine, that was the whole point of going up to Durham in the first place. You've always been allowed to go out and get fuel if you need it.

It all seems quite a simple story really. He and / or his wife got symptoms. They decided they'd prefer to spend their quarantine in a holiday home on the family estate. During that quarantine they got bored and fancied a day trip to a local picturesque town. Simple as that really, its amazing all the other shit that they've managed to shovel into the equation.

You either think his actions were OK, not OK or not OK but you'll defend it anyway because you perceive him to be on your side.

 

[Badgers]

Haven't enjoyed politics this much since the MPs expenses scandal, I think.

Yup. Sadly that was mostly brushed under the carpet too. No doubt they are still grabbing every penny their greedy hands can get.

 

[equationgirl]

It's not duty evasion, it's following fatherly instincts.

It's following fatherly instincts if he does it, duty evasion if other desparate fathers do it.