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[Orang Utan]

apparent Dolores mean sorrow/sadness. how fucked up is it to name a baby that?

 

[Pickman's model]

apparent Dolores mean sorrow/sadness. how fucked up is it to name a baby that?

Yeh we've been through this. As you'd know if you'd read the thread and specifically ElizabethofYork's post 498

 

[klang]

apparent Dolores mean sorrow/sadness. how fucked up is it to name a baby that?

i don't think it's that bad. quite nice actually.

 

[Pickman's model]

i don't think it's that bad. quite nice actually.

Better than Paul anyway, which means small, or Peter which means rock. As Jesus found out when he founded his church upon a pebble

 

[klang]

'Rock' is pretty cool though.

 

[Orang Utan]

i don't think it's that bad. quite nice actually.

how? imagine growing up knowing that. i’m not usually one for nominative determinism, but this one’s pretty clear

 

[kabbes]

apparent Dolores mean sorrow/sadness. how fucked up is it to name a baby that?

“Sorrows”, not “Sorrow”. From “Our Lady of Sorrows”, ie Mary. It’s just part of the ongoing obsession in Catholic countries with naming girls after the Virgin Mary.

 

[klang]

how? imagine growing up knowing that. i’m not usually one for nominative determinism, but this one’s pretty clear

tbh anything is better than the meaning of my son's name!

 

[krtek a houby]

Dolores Keane has a beautiful voice

 

[flypanam]

From “Our Lady of Sorrows”, ie Mary. It’s just part of the ongoing obsession in Catholic countries with naming girls after the Virgin Mary.

In Ireland sorrow is something that has a longer standing than Catholicism. It’s written all through the legends of the place.

 

[kabbes]

In Ireland sorrow is something that has a longer standing than Catholicism. It’s written all through the legends of th

But the name isn’t an Irish one. It’s more normally “Maria Dolores”, in fact, just to make it even more transparent what its origins are.

 

[klang]

how? imagine growing up knowing that. i’m not usually one for nominative determinism, but this one’s pretty clear

I like the melancholy behind it.

 

[Orang Utan]

I like the melancholy behind it.

this child has to deal with having a name that means sorrow too though - what's that going to make them think of themselves? Catholicism is fucked up

 

[kabbes]

this child has to deal with having a name that means sorrow too though - what's that going to make them think of themselves? Catholicism is fucked up

Sorrows

 

[klang]

this child has to deal with having a name that means sorrow too though - what's that going to make them think of themselves? Catholicism is fucked up

I don't think this child gives too much of a fuck tbh.

 

[klang]

Before google I never knew or cared about the meaning of my name.

 

[flypanam]

But the name isn’t an Irish one. It’s more normally “Maria Delores”, in fact, just to make it even more transparent what its origins are.

I know, I was just making the point that there is a whole series of tales within the Ulster Cycle that concern sorrows. That the articulation of sorrows is of a long standing tradition much longer than Catholicism.

 

[kabbes]

I know, I was just making the point that there is a whole serif tales within the Ulster Cycle that concern sorrows. That the articulation of sorrows is of a long standing tradition much longer than Catholicism.

Fair enough, but I’m not sure what that’s got to do with the name Dolores, which has a very clear etymology and whose history of use is utterly transparent. In Spain, in fact, you often find it as the full “Maria de Los Dolores”. I was talking about the use of a name, not the social and folk history of sorrow.

 

[Orang Utan]

Before google I never knew or cared about the meaning of my name.

really? we always talked about what our names meant, at home and at school

 

[klang]

really? we always talked about what our names meant, at home and at school

for me my name was always just my name.

 

[klang]

anyway, I dunno what Maria's so upset about. Didn't she have the perfect son?

 

[klang]

maybe she just wanted a normal child, just like everybody else?

 

[splonkydoo]

My name means 'fair haired' in English.

What am I supposed to do when I get old and bald?! It is fucked up, why burden me with such a thing.. !

 

[Sue]

“Sorrows”, not “Sorrow”. From “Our Lady of Sorrows”, ie Mary. It’s just part of the ongoing obsession in Catholic countries with naming girls after the Virgin Mary.

As mentioned up thread, one of my great aunts was called Adolorata. One of her sisters was called Imaccolata. The others also had very Southern Italian, very Catholic names (which were of course shortened/anglicised when they moved here).

ETA Actually, I think they ^ may have been born here but the rest were born in Italy.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

apparent Dolores mean sorrow/sadness. how fucked up is it to name a baby that?

I like it; an acknowledgement that life can be sad and full of sorrow.

 

[klang]

one of my great aunts was called Adolorata. One of her sisters was called Imaccolata

phonically very beautiful!

 

[kabbes]

If you name your child Martin, you aren’t literally saying he is a god of war or one of the war god’s adherents.

 

[klang]

god of war

much cooler than Maritn.

 

[Sue]

phonically very beautiful!

TBF, they were always known as Dora and Maggie (I heard Imaccolata for the first time at her funeral )

 

[klang]

I heard Imaccolata for the first time at her funeral

everybody is immaculate after death.