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Maybe though, to be serious for a moment, this is the time when it would be really important for lexiters to somehow if possible get heard, to compete with the brass band of frothing hatemongering noise which is defining what brexit means even more now that it did even during the shitty campaigns. No idea how obviously but violins won't do it.
 
Maybe though, to be serious for a moment, this is the time when it would be really important for lexiters to somehow if possible get heard, to compete with the brass band of frothing hatemongering noise which is defining what brexit means even more now that it did even during the shitty campaigns. No idea how obviously but violins won't do it.

We can't be heard for all the liberal noise - as even evidenced on this forum.
 
Maybe though, to be serious for a moment, this is the time when it would be really important for lexiters to somehow if possible get heard, to compete with the brass band of frothing hatemongering noise which is defining what brexit means even more now that it did even during the shitty campaigns. No idea how obviously but violins won't do it.
That's the problem though, in the referendum there were good solid lexit reasons for voting out, but there never was anything other than a nominal lexit campaign. There still isn't.
 
That's the problem though, in the referendum there were good solid lexit reasons for voting out, but there never was anything other than a nominal lexit campaign. There still isn't.
Yeah. Total donations/ funding for 'all registered leave campaigners' was £8.2m
(slightly higher than the remain campaigners £7.5m). Not much of that was lexit money i'd guess.
 
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Billy 'I am always wrong' Bragg backed staying. In between burning kids skateboards and rimming the queen.

but no, three campaigns, not one of them gave attention to a socialist case for exit. Because now socialism begins and ends with c-byn and the labour party *wanking gesture*
 
Was anyone a registered lexit campaigner?
Registered? I don't know. One of the donors was 'Trade Unionists against the European Union', there must have been other people like that, but don't know about registered.
 

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the left (or whatever tiny fragments of it supported a leave vote) is in no position to define or even influence the exit. I think what it should be doing is hearing what amounted to another warning over its irrelevance and political isolation. we should be admitting that it is madness to cling to institutions such as the EU (or the courts) to give us an illusion of significance and to hold back the 'reactionary hordes'. time and time again the left has had the opportunity to re evaluate the situation and our politics and maybe to re engage with working class people and each time the opportunity is spurned and the gulf seems to widen. and that's across leave and remain. I voted out but I've got no fantasy of a lexit - it'll be an anti working class exit just as remain was to be.

but I did feel cause for optimism from quite a number of conversations I had with people and some of the stuff on tv etc during the campaign. tbh if a progressive working class politics is to return to the stage I doubt I'd be looking towards the left for it.
 
the left (or whatever tiny fragments of it supported a leave vote) is in no position to define or even influence the exit. I think what it should be doing is hearing what amounted to another warning over its irrelevance and political isolation. we should be admitting that it is madness to cling to institutions such as the EU (or the courts) to give us an illusion of significance and to hold back the 'reactionary hordes'. time and time again the left has had the opportunity to re evaluate the situation and our politics and maybe to re engage with working class people and each time the opportunity is spurned and the gulf seems to widen. and that's across leave and remain. I voted out but I've got no fantasy of a lexit - it'll be an anti working class exit just as remain was to be.

but I did feel cause for optimism from quite a number of conversations I had with people and some of the stuff on tv etc during the campaign. tbh if a progressive working class politics is to return to the stage I doubt I'd be looking towards the left for it.

What or who would you be looking towards for it?
 
Registered? I don't know. One of the donors was 'Trade Unionists against the European Union', there must have been other people like that, but don't know about registered.

They actually put out some really good material, actually had a local tory chairman clamouring for their leaflets.
 
Maybe though, to be serious for a moment, this is the time when it would be really important for lexiters to somehow if possible get heard, to compete with the brass band of frothing hatemongering noise which is defining what brexit means even more now that it did even during the shitty campaigns. No idea how obviously but violins won't do it.
Think you have to wait til after art 50 done, that removes one set of morons from the equation. And it will be signed, and those investing in blocking will be diminished currency. Then is the time to counter the other morons, and from what I can hear at the other end of the bar they really are morons. Parliamentary scrutiny is a MUST
 
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Some of the front pages headlines in yesterday's anti-EU press are bordering on hysterical. The Daily Mail has described these judges as "enemies of the people" while the Daily Express ran with the headline "We must get out of the EU" and accused the judges of blocking Brexit. This is simply not true as the judges are just implying the law. After all, we live in a country where the rule of law and parliament are two of the most important staples of our democracy, yet some of those advocating Brexit would rather both are bypassed and trigger article 50 in secret. That is fundamentally undemocratic and unconstitutional. Ironically by appealing the High Court ruling, it will be the government who slow down the process of Brexit. After all, we do live in a parliamentary democracy and surely that is how things are supposed to work? Yes, a small majority of the British people voted out, but what about the 48% who voted remain? That is 16 million people and the considerable majority of Scottish people who wanted to stay in the EU. Do they not count? This was a result that was closer than the Scottish referendum and I think Theresa May should ensure a deal is secured that will best benefit the whole of Britain. To do this, I feel parliament must be consulted. Let's remember, it was May herself who has talked about a Britain that works for everyone. There is scant evidence to support that statement to date.
 
Some of the front pages headlines in yesterday's anti-EU press are bordering on hysterical. The Daily Mail has described these judges as "enemies of the people" while the Daily Express ran with the headline "We must get out of the EU" and accused the judges of blocking Brexit. This is simply not true as the judges are just implying the law. After all, we live in a country where the rule of law and parliament are two of the most important staples of our democracy, yet some of those advocating Brexit would rather both are bypassed and trigger article 50 in secret. That is fundamentally undemocratic and unconstitutional. Ironically by appealing the High Court ruling, it will be the government who slow down the process of Brexit. After all, we do live in a parliamentary democracy and surely that is how things are supposed to work? Yes, a small majority of the British people voted out, but what about the 48% who voted remain? That is 16 million people and the considerable majority of Scottish people who wanted to stay in the EU. Do they not count? This was a result that was closer than the Scottish referendum and I think Theresa May should ensure a deal is secured that will best benefit the whole of Britain. To do this, I feel parliament must be consulted. Let's remember,eie it was May herself who has talked about a Britain that works for everyone. There is scant evidence to support that statement to date.

Without disagreeing, the new found respect of remainers for Parliamentary scrutiny is saccharine.
 
Any day now surely the people behind that Democratic Party website with its Operation Beacon, and the editorial team of the DM , will be handed 4 year sentences just like those young men were when they posted stuff on facebook inciting people to riot back in 2011
 
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PM urged to calm the backlash against Brexit ruling

The prime minister has been asked by some senior MPs to "make clear" that the independence of the judiciary is a part of British democracy. Conservative MP Dominic Grieve said the criticisms over the High Court judges' decision were "horrifying" and reminded him of "Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe"

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Without disagreeing, the new found respect of remainers for Parliamentary scrutiny is saccharine.

Ahh, the sovereignty line. I'd forgotten that the ballot paper said "do you want a return to full U.K. parliamentary sovereignty, doffing your cap to Lords and being a subject of your Queen."
 
Ahh, the sovereignty line. I'd forgotten that the ballot paper said "do you want a return to full U.K. parliamentary sovereignty, doffing your cap to Lords and being a subject of your Queen."
Yes, referendums on them next please?
 
Yes, referendums on them next please?

Hahahahah. Did you not see the popularity of Downton Abbey? The country is in thrall to a return to coal scuttles and obeisance. You know, the good old days of rickets and pleurisy.
 
Hahahahah. Did you not see the popularity of Downton Abbey? The country is in thrall to a return to coal scuttles and obeisance. You know, the good old days of rickets and pleurisy.
I have seen people with rickets and people with pleurisy recently
 
I was trying to think of a response, but this post is too asinine, frankly.

Just don't share the sense of optimism at the results of the Tory right shoring up its votes. It's as if people actually thought the referendum was about leaving or remaining in the EU.
 
Ahh, the sovereignty line. I'd forgotten that the ballot paper said "do you want a return to full U.K. parliamentary sovereignty, doffing your cap to Lords and being a subject of your Queen."
When in the past 64 years haven't we been subjects of the Queen?
 
There's now a deluge of "you don't understand how democracy works" type sneering pouring out of liberal m/c remainer types.

Nice.
 
It's fucking grim isn't it. This is why no strong left case could even be made during the referendum. This liberal and reactionary shit that constantly passes itself off now as some sort of overwhelming voice of 'progresive left' is now ubiquitous in any attempted radical analysis. Ugh.
 
There's now a deluge of "you don't understand how democracy works" type sneering pouring out of liberal m/c remainer types.

Nice.

You would think that the experience of, you know, the Leave vote would get people to at least change their tone
 
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