The Brexit Party

[cupid_stunt]

Do read what farage said

I did, it's bollocks.

The electoral commission decides what entities are political parties, they are the gate keepers.

 

[gosub]

Might need to change the thread title. Apparently it’s not a political party, it’s a company...

Farage calls for private health firms to 'relieve burden on NHS'

The thing people always forget about nazism is that it was effectively a system of state capitalism, where the state was run by companies. That’s what we’re now walking into.

Our local healthcare trust has done just that....it has built and runs a private hospital which it even advertises in the lifts of the NHS one. Feels a bit conflict of interest to me. Mind you - the most 'impressive' part of that shower since my mum's "you're terminally ill - sorry we missed it" was the speed with which she started receiving unsolicited phone calls from no win no fee lawyers and funeral plan companies - they having presumably been sold her data y the hospital

 

[FiFi]

In the last year I've had an endoscopy and ultrasound imaging. Both these referrals have been carried out by private companies. A colleague who suffered a stroke spent some weeks in a private hospital following time in an NHS hospital. It's become much more obvious to me that a vast array of roles are now filled by private companies. If the NHS is still struggling, bring the services back in house, reduce the number of bean counters and the duplication caused by the number of trusts and return to a view of the NHS not driven by profit and loss

This. A hundred times, this.

PS. I hope the testing has led to treatment and that you are feeling well now.

 

[brogdale]

In the last year I've had an endoscopy and ultrasound imaging. Both these referrals have been carried out by private companies. A colleague who suffered a stroke spent some weeks in a private hospital following time in an NHS hospital. It's become much more obvious to me that a vast array of roles are now filled by private companies. If the NHS is still struggling, bring the services back in house, reduce the number of bean counters and the duplication caused by the number of trusts and return to a view of the NHS not driven by profit and loss

As others have said; hope you get the treatment you need to resolve the issue.
Your post also reminded me that I was going to post up a video by Dr Bob Gill. I had the pleasure of hearing Bob speak again a couple of weeks ago at a KOSHH meeting and he really does have a knack of delivering the long, complex story of NHS privatisation under successive governments in a very comprehensible manner. We need more folk explaining it like this IMO.

 

[moochedit]

The electoral commission decides what entities are political parties, they are the gate keepers.

It is both a registered party and registered company (as is the case with most parties)

party registration here:

View registration - The Electoral Commission

company registration here:

THE BREXIT PARTY LIMITED - Overview (free company information from Companies House)

 

[brogdale]

Crispin Blunt was on ‘Newsnight’ saying how a Tory party refashioned under a true believer leader as a Brexit party would come to an electoral agreement with the Brexit party and not stand against each other. The implication being that Farage would only stand candidates in non-Tory held seats. Sounds like the ERG have already worked out their next Conf & Supply arrangement and reckon on wiping out Labour in the North into the bargain.

 

[Poi E]

Phillip Basey, treasurer of the Brexit Party, has a daughter who is a former glamour model who is married to Nathaniel Rothschild, mate of Cameron and Osbourne, Bullingdon etc. For a largish country it's a fucking small cesspool of talent at the top.

 

[killer b]

Is 'former glamour model' relevant info, or is it just calling her a slut for lolz?

 

[Poi E]

Not relevant, but provides tawdry colour, yes.

 

[Ranbay]

He's in Wales this week, only £2:50 a ticket, might book one and not go?

 

[Yossarian]

He's in Wales this week, only £2:50 a ticket, might book one and not go?

Buy a bunch of tickets and spell out a Welsh insult like "CONT GWIRION" on sheets of paper taped to the seats.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

a better use for the brexit leaflet!
My friends 7 year old put on a play in my house the other day
It was about a magic pike that ends up in a fish bowl
The pike was made out of that brexit party leaflet [think she had help cutting it out]
here is a still from the actual play - the magic pike caught in the fish bowl!

 

[weepiper]

Farage is coming to Edinburgh on Friday night apparently. Can't see him getting much traction here (74% Remain) but he's not courting voters in Edinburgh really, he's playing to the audience down south. He'll get a good reaction for sure - last time he came here (2013) he was surrounded by a crowd chanting 'Nigel you're a bawbag, Nigel you're a bawbag, na na na na, hey!' and hid in a pub before getting bundled into a taxi by the police. He's speaking at the Corn Exchange, which incidentally has a MacDonald's about 50 yards from its front door.

 

[Ranbay]

someone tried to block them from getting in or something.

 

[Teaboy]

I have now received mailshots from both these clowns and the UKIP clowns. My g/f on the other hand is receiving guff from the lib dems. Target demographics.

 

[treelover]

someone tried to block them from getting in or something.

Its not really funny, Merthyr Tydfil was once called Red Merthyr, their grandads will be looking down in shame and anger.

 

[gentlegreen]

Led By Donkeys are back and now they're writing Nigel Farage's manifesto for him

 

[brogdale]

Its not really funny, Merthyr Tydfil was once called Red Merthyr, their grandads will be looking down in shame and anger.

Hmm...but look at that age profile, they are the 'grandads' now...the boomer generation holding onto the legacy asset bribes of the long-gone 'social contract' between capital & labour. Fear of asset loss/erosion/theft etc. has been whipped up to spectacular effect.

 

[Idris2002]

Led By Donkeys are back and now they're writing Nigel Farage's manifesto for him


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Wrong move that. At least some are going to look at that and think "well, insurance is a good thing, innit? Good old Nigel's the boy for me".

NEXT: "I never thought my NHS would be royally shafted, weeps person who voted for the Let's Royally Shaft the NHS Party".

 

[gentlegreen]

The loony also wants us to adopt the USA's lax gun laws - presumably so we can import American-made guns ...

Win Win !

 

[Ranbay]

Its not really funny, Merthyr Tydfil was once called Red Merthyr, their grandads will be looking down in shame and anger.

£2:50 to stand in a car park is FUNNY

 

[Rosemary Jest]

I've got these Brexit Party leaflets on multiple days shoved through the door last week.

Mind you, I got the Labour one through the door the other day and at least the Brexit Party one had some kind of coherent message. The one from Labour seemed to be something wishy washy about making things fairer. I read it three times and still couldn't fathom what it was saying in relation to leaving the EU. And I'm a fucking party member.

Jeremy's face was staring at me equally forlornly when I shoved it in the recycling bin.

 

[Poi E]

The loony also wants us to adopt the USA's lax gun laws - presumably so we can import American-made guns ...

Win Win !

Plenty made here, too.

 

[Farmer Giles]

I have now received mailshots from both these clowns and the UKIP clowns. My g/f on the other hand is receiving guff from the lib dems. Target demographics.

The other way round in my house. My missus is a potential fascist apparently, and I am wetter than penguins flipper.

 

[agricola]

Surprised more hasn't been made about Claire Fox defending the right of people to watch child porn, to be honest. Admittedly this has been mentioned in a Nick Cohen article in the Spectator (and in a Telegraph podcast) so I can understand if people haven't read/heard about it:

When people challenge my opinions I shrug, said Vladimir Nabokov. When people challenge my facts, I reach for my dictionary.

Brendan O’Neill, formerly of the Revolutionary Communist Party and Living Marxism, now of Spiked, has had me reaching for mine. He accuses me of lying, a charge which might send a less liberal journalist than me to his lawyers. He says my charge that his comrades and the Brexit Party’s European Parliament candidates Claire Fox, James Heartfield and Alka Sehgal Cuthbert are cavalier about the abuse of children “are lies, straight-up, low-down lies,” “character assassination”, and an act of desperation by the remain side.

The desperation is all his. For mysterious reasons it might be worth journalists getting to the bottom of, Farage has picked candidates who used to belong to the RCP – despite the group’s long history of defending the IRA – a history I notice Comrade O’Neill does not deny. I cannot imagine Brexit Party voters being happy with that. Or voters from any other party.

Perhaps wisely, O’Neill passes over it. Instead he wants us to concentrate on the opposition to the censorship of child pornography on the Web. It’s not true. Lies, lies, all lies, he cries. Really?

Here is the evidence. First Fox. To give O’Neill his due, she does twist and turn like a true politician in her recent interview with the Daily Telegraph‘s Christopher Hope. (As O’Neill did not provide a link, here it is). But when cornered she says that she does not want child pornography banned.

“But do you still agree though that there should be no censorship of the internet?” asked the interviewer.

“Yes,” replied Fox

“And that includes child porn?”

“Yes.”

Asked again if child porn videos “should be banned” she replied “no”. She does say she finds child porn vile and I suppose deserves some credit for that. But then she goes and spoils it all by adding “actually most child porn is not child porn because it’s simulated.” Well some is, some isn’t.

O’Neill suggests that it is a “lie” and not just any lie but a “straight-up, low-down lie” to accurately transcribe the verbatim comments of a political candidate seeking office. I am sorry if this makes him clutch his pearls and reach for the smelling salts, but this is what a free press in a free country does.

Lying, or editing so selective it comes close to lying, is on display in O’Neill’s defence of Alka Sehgal Cuthbert, his old friend and a Faragist candidate in London. All his comrade had done in his Spiked magazine was argue “that it is wrong to describe young people’s watching of general porn as a form of child abuse”.

Here are the facts that O’Neill does not mention. Sehgal Cuthbert was responding to an NSPCC definition of child abuse that includes adults “involving children in looking at, or in the production of, pornographic material or watching sexual activities, or encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways.’

To which she fulminates “in what world is enticing a child into prostitution or anal intercourse in any sense equivalent to kissing or looking at pornographic images?”

I can’t imagine any parent thinking that a man showing their son or daughter pornography was innocently exercising his rights to free speech. I imagine they would call the police, as would I.

But notice O’Neill so edits the passage that he would have you believe that his RCP comrade was just saying that do-gooding charities had ruled it was child abuse for children to watch porn on the Internet. He removes the adults from the scene entirely. As I said, if this is not quite lying, it is most certainly not telling the truth.

Finally to James Heartfield, who O’Neill paints as another victim. Once again, I provide links to his contribution on the subject of child abuse.

He has written against “the myth of the ubiquitous and incurable predatory paedophile” and said “the argument that the [sex offenders’] register provides for greater safety makes little sense”.

He added that “fears of child sex abuse are deeply atavistic and rarely susceptible to reasoned argument.”

He has argued that the sex offenders’ register would “encroach upon the freedom of movement of sex offenders”.

And he said the “Tory Party had great success in the 1980s in characterising the problems of paedophilia and other abuses of children as a terrible threat to society…this is of course fantasy politics.”

Now he is Nigel Farage’s candidate in the European elections. Vote for him and the rest of Farage’s apologists for the IRA if you must. But journalism’s purpose is to ensure that you vote knowing who and what you are voting for. It is that purpose O’Neill, like Trump, Corbyn and so many others is trying to scream down.

edit: no surprise who made it into the list of demons at the end, of course

 

[gosub]

Surprised more hasn't been made about Claire Fox defending the right of people to watch child porn, to be honest. Admittedly this has been mentioned in a Nick Cohen article in the Spectator (and in a Telegraph podcast) so I can understand if people haven't read/heard about it:



edit: no surprise who made it into the list of demons at the end, of course

 

[weepiper]

 

[brogdale]

Crispin Blunt was on ‘Newsnight’ saying how a Tory party refashioned under a true believer leader as a Brexit party would come to an electoral agreement with the Brexit party and not stand against each other. The implication being that Farage would only stand candidates in non-Tory held seats. Sounds like the ERG have already worked out their next Conf & Supply arrangement and reckon on wiping out Labour in the North into the bargain.

He's at it again:



I suppose this could easily have gone in the tory death spiral thread.

 

[iona]

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Improvise

Less messy but more hurty

 

[8ball]

Surprised more hasn't been made about Claire Fox defending the right of people to watch child porn, to be honest.

Wtf.