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The BNP list: would you have leaked it?

Assuming no consequences for you, woudl you have leaked it?


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Thanks for clearing that up. :)

i know mate. My 'the BNP aren't really nazis' position of the last few years lies in tatters. I've been revising it for some time, but now i'm certain. The BNP are made up of people with a range of opinion; but essentially their core is about racial hierarchy. This is. Nazism.

Still not sure about calling them nazis in public material all the time....

But only not sure.
 
i know mate. My 'the BNP aren't really nazis' position of the last few years lies in tatters. I've been revising it for some time, but now i'm certain. The BNP are made up of people with a range of opinion; but essentially their core is about racial hierarchy. This is. Nazism.

Still not sure about calling them nazis in public material all the time....

But only not sure.

It rattles them and they spend a lot of time trying to deny it.
 
If there was any evidence that this was the case and it was affecting the way they taught, then they shouldn't be teaching.

Membership of the BNP I would not deem sufficient evidence, as I do not accept that it necessarily means they would have this attitude. It would be a legitimate reason to keep a close eye on them, though.

Saying "some" or even "most" BNP members are racist, therefore they all are, is not acceptable to me, any more than saying "some Muslim blokes with big beards are terrorists therefore we should treat all Muslim blokes with big beards as terrorists".

It depends very largely on the percentages here - if group A were 99% Y, it is not wholly unreasonable for the 1% to have to show they are Not Y, if being Not Y were a vital part of (whatever). And that seems about the correct percentage for non-racist members of the BNP, probably a bit high on the non-racist side.
 
Afaik details of their family and stuff were on it too, if that's the case then no I wouldn't have leaked it.
 
Afaik details of their family and stuff were on it too, if that's the case then no I wouldn't have leaked it.

as i say, i'm just lost on this.

The BNP have listed members. Some people's kids are members too. Oh dear.

:confused:

By leaking the list they won't all be killed in their beds by mossad you know.
 
as i say, i'm just lost on this.

The BNP have listed members. Some people's kids are members too. Oh dear.

:confused:

By leaking the list they won't all be killed in their beds by mossad you know.

I thought details relating to non-members were on it, I've been corrected. Jeez. :hmm:
 
I thought details relating to non-members were on it, I've been corrected. Jeez. :hmm:

I think there was something to do with parents adding their children to the list, at 16 or under 16. Don't know about the validity of that claim though.
 
Afaik details of their family and stuff were on it too, if that's the case then no I wouldn't have leaked it.

If someone's name and address are there, it doesn't take a genius to work out that "so-and-so's Dad/Wife/Son/Granny is on that BNP list", does it.
 
Fuck sake are you reading the thread or what?

Yes.

The details that are on the list are sufficient for kids, for example, to easily find out that one of their schoolmates' parents is on the list.

It's up to you of course to decide whether or not that is problematic or whether it would influence your decision about whether you would have leaked the list.
 
so what? even if they could work it out (which is far from obvious, i didnt know the exact addresses of all me schoolmates)
 
not to mentin the fact that - if joing the BNP means your kids get hassle of some other kids of school, dont join the fucking bnp. the most totally spurious reason for not 'leaking' this so far
 
I would have but id have done so hoping that people wouldent lower themselves to the level of some of the people on the list and start bricking houses and stuff.
 
Some of the arguments against here are making a number of assumptions:

1) that those listed face the prospect of serious physical harm, even murder

2) that there is going to be some kinda mob frenzy against those on the list

3) that anyone using the list is incapable of distinguishing the "innocent children" from the diehard activist.

Well...

1) How many fascists have been murdered by "the reds" in the UK? some may get a beating, perhaps, and this may or may not be right, but murdered? hmmm...

2) I'd be surprised.

3) Well. you have been perfectly capable of spotting that theres kids, I think others can too. The list also helpfully has notes to assist in determing the committment of the member anyway.

Besides as noted above, the widespread dissemination of the list lessens the chance of really planned physical attacks but places responsibilty for the consequences in the hands of a much wider constituency than just the hardcore antifa. That is probably a good thing, no?

I don't think many of the many named on that list will end up getting beaten up, but a few will, as will a few of their family members who aren't BNP supporters. Most people won't turn to volence, but that doesn't mean nobody will! Murder hasn't been mentioned by anyone but you.

You reckon? You might regard the BNP as akin to paedos...but how many working class people actually share your views?

Some do, some don't - and why are you only asking about working class people? :confused: But at work it would be seen as a pretty big deal if someone were a member of the BNP. I wouldn't want to work with a BNP member myself, but I wouldn't want someone to lose their job because they were stupid enough to join this party - depending on what their job is, of course.

See, I've known several people who've voted BNP and might even have joined up, and most of them were stupid rather than hardcore racists.

To be frank - I am surprised at the number of tears being shed for mistaken old pensioners, little children etc.

So maybe, just maybe a couple of 'innocents' get done. Thats how the balance of forces sometimes works out. its not fair, any more than the actual victims of the generalisations made by idiots in the BNP.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Butchers and Fed makes pertinant points about the dangers of this disclosure - weaknesses of resorting to tactics such as this by anti-fascists or state (if that is the case), and the potential upsets internally for the BNP. The unfortunate side-show of possible 'innocents' getting done over is irrelevant. Sorry like but some fools only learn the hard way - unfortunate though that is.

Those are good points by Butchers and Fed.

I'm not sure what positive effects the leaking of this list could have, if any. Maybe there will be some famous people or politicians on there, and it's good that they're made public (since they depend on their image for their job), but that doesn't mean the whole list beng out there is going to be helpful.

not to mentin the fact that - if joing the BNP means your kids get hassle of some other kids of school, dont join the fucking bnp. the most totally spurious reason for not 'leaking' this so far

Er, but the kids didn't ask for their parents to join the BNP, so why should they suffer? It's not about the parents being upset when their kids get trouble for this, it's about the kids getting trouble for this.

Anti-racism really is a huge thing at schools these days, among the kids, not just the staff. It'll be a really big deal if these kids' schoolfriends find out that so-and-so's name is on the list, and quite a few of them will be beaten up, no doubt about it at all.
 
'Anti-racism really is a huge thing at schools these days, among the kids, not just the staff. It'll be a really big deal if these kids' schoolfriends find out that so-and-so's name is on the list, and quite a few of them will be beaten up, no doubt about it at all.'


You are in London aren't you, in the N.East, for example, going by my nephews school they may be lauded as heroes.
 
'Anti-racism really is a huge thing at schools these days, among the kids, not just the staff. It'll be a really big deal if these kids' schoolfriends find out that so-and-so's name is on the list, and quite a few of them will be beaten up, no doubt about it at all.'


You are in London aren't you, in the N.East, for example, going by my nephews school they may be lauded as heroes.

If they lived in South Durham probably! It's like Nuremburg
 
what....!

oh i see, we have the 'i'm so very moral' brigade in with the 'keep your cards close to your chest' posse here. Aha.

Well i think the leaks going great, so yes.

Taxamo Welf said:
By leaking the list they won't all be killed in their beds by mossad you know.

Bland reductionist hyperbole might make a cheap point, but it won't add to your argument.
 
Exactly the law I was thinking of, worth noting how it 'evolved' from the Nazi laws against Jews, racial and political opponents. I would say however that the 'specifics' of Post-War Germany are a 'special' case given the legacy of 'Denazification' and the 3rd Reich. It would be interesting to see how that legacy allowed for the Anti-Radical Decree to be introduced. Even more interesting, imho, that given the 'Anne di Piombe/Years of Lead' in Italy when political violence and killings were far higher than Germany that there wasn't a similar law introduced there.

Searchlight, last week, from an issue handily published a few days before the list leaked, that contains an article on, again, i'm sure it was a conicidence, coppers in the BNP.

The BNP complains regularly about the ban on police officers being members of the criminal party and calls for it to be lifted. Extending it to other public services employees might be more appropriate
 
The BNP are made up of people with a range of opinion; but essentially their core is about racial hierarchy. This is. Nazism.

.

As i said before on another thread there is not much difference between the bnp and the fact that when one examines this countires main political parties its govenrmenet its media its legal system its education system etc etc

essentially their core is about racial hierarchy

its amazing how wearing an obama badge in the uk seems to make people think otherwise :rolleyes:
 
As i said before on another thread there is not much difference between the bnp and the fact that when one examines this countires main political parties its govenrmenet its media its legal system its education system etc etc

essentially their core is about racial hierarchy
No it's not.
 
'Anti-racism really is a huge thing at schools these days, among the kids, not just the staff. It'll be a really big deal if these kids' schoolfriends find out that so-and-so's name is on the list, and quite a few of them will be beaten up, no doubt about it at all.'


You are in London aren't you, in the N.East, for example, going by my nephews school they may be lauded as heroes.

That could be true. So an alternative outcome could be kids in BNP families in some areas findng themselves heroes for their parents' racism - great. :(
 
'Anti-racism really is a huge thing at schools these days, among the kids, not just the staff. It'll be a really big deal if these kids' schoolfriends find out that so-and-so's name is on the list, and quite a few of them will be beaten up, no doubt about it at all.'


You are in London aren't you, in the N.East, for example, going by my nephews school they may be lauded as heroes.

To true and the heros bit may apply in parts of essex as well
 
Bland reductionist hyperbole might make a cheap point, but it won't add to your argument.

what? what are you trying to say here?

Its a totally valid argument, they are not in any serious danger - they will just have to deal with the consequences of the politics being public knowledge. Some of them don't care anyway.

The one's who may actually get into confrontations are already IN the public eye: BNP activists, door knockers, public speakers etc. They'll get themselves into confrontations by their actions.

Now if you are a passive member you may have to deal with your workmates and neighbours disapproval. Good.
 
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