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The Al-Qaeda Cell that never officially existed

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The Al-Qaeda cell that never officially existed
Patrick McGuinness
20th November 2005


When a huge cache of Al-Qaeda material was discovered in a small Birmingham hotel in the midst of this years’ July terror campaign, the whole episode was ruthlessly hushed up with national media turned away. Why was this? Well... no muslims were implicated.

Mr Burki, the hotel manager who unearthed the find, was warned that his life was in danger, and not to tell anyone about the event. However, now extremely disillusioned with the failure of the police to arrest the men responsible, he has now agreed to be interviewed about extraordinary events of 11th July 2005 at the Waqar Brentwood Hotel. His account is corroborated by other hotel staff.

In early 2005, two men arrived and rented rooms at the Hotel. A Spanish man took room 3, on the ground floor. He claimed to work for 'an American agency'. James Dwayer, thought to be Irish, took room 12 on the first floor. He was thought to work as a driver.

They brought much luggage with them, and refused all offers to assist in carrying it. More curiously, they also did not allow hotel staff into their room, cleaning sheets themselves. For months they came and went daily, the Spaniard keeping himself to himself while the Irishman would often hang around reception chatting.

Then, by early July, they both left, saying they would return and that cheques would be sent for the rent in the meantime. They gave firm instructions that no-one was to go into their rooms. The Spaniard was first to leave, at the end of June. He was overheard asking Dwayer to ring his girlfriend in Spain were something to happen to him. Dwayer left a few days later – having rung the girlfriend to check he was alright.

Soon after, terror very came to the UK, with the attacks on the London transport system on the 7th July – and Birmingham City Centre was evacuated on the 9th due to an unspecified terror threat.

On the 11th July, Mr Burki, now growing suspicious of his guests’ activity, asked his staff to go into their rooms and bring their bags to him, thinking that they were perhaps involved in drug-dealing.

But what he then discovered in the fifteen or so heavy bags made his mind boggle.

“I saw papers with the words ‘Osama Bin Laden’ – large letters… ‘Attack London’… ‘Attack Paris’…”. Amongst the documents were instructions on attacking trains, and airplanes, a map of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and many terrorist-related books.

Other items included electronic equipment, boxes of large nails, and of ball-bearings; a possible explosive substance; a large knife, with dried bloodstains, wrapped in cotton wool - in describing its length, Mr Burki extends his left arm and indicates to the bicep.

And not least, a colossal sum of sterling. “I don’t know how much there was. I opened it, saw it was money, and then quickly closed it again,” he said of the red-hot find. “It was difficult to lift the bag”.

Mr Burki then went to Ladywood Police Station. He found an officer that he recognised, who accompanied him back. Needless to say, the officer became extremely animated when he saw the discovery and summoned further help.

Two plain-clothed officers arrived. Accompanying them were five or six other policemen, “dressed all black… black trousers, black shirts, black shoes’. They took control of the investigation and were clearly intimidating; “They were very rude, pushing me, telling me to get out of my own hotel”.

A bizarre car accident then took place, a head-on collision involving a jeep and another car right outside the hotel – but with many police around, the drivers simply walked away. The area surrounding the hotel and car crash was taped off, and the hotel evacuated, due to the threat of explosion.

It was now unwelcome to take pictures – or to alert anyone. As he attempted to take pictures, Mr Burki was asked what he was doing with his mobile phone. He avoided its confiscation by saying he was calling his mother. He was ordered not to make any further calls. Abbas Malik, a journalist friend of Mr Burki’s, had his camera confiscated. He was allowed to stay at the scene by the pretence that he was Mr Burki’s brother. A BBC journalist who arrived and took a picture of the car crash was ordered away.

The police then set about sealing the terror stash in white evidence bags and removing it from the hotel. They also took CCTV equipment and tapes. Eventually, after maybe six hours outside, the hotel staff and guests were allowed to return inside. Mr Burki was asked to sign a blank sheet of paper, a request he reluctantly complied with. The only paperwork he was given in return was a notice of the search which confirmed that unspecified material had been seized.

During the next few days, the plain-clothes police returned, with statements for Mr Burki to sign. “Each day they came, and each time it was different,” he said of the changing statements. They warned that his life was in danger, that he should keep silent, and report anyone who came snooping around.

Mr Burki has a relative who received the Victoria Cross for fighting on behalf of the British, and cannot conceive that fellow muslims from the subcontinent could be responsible for Al-Qaeda terror against British citizens. "When a victim loses their hand, or an eye... we feel their pain".

It is hard to say what was intended to happen before Mr. Burki uncovered the hoard. One possibility is that it was left there to be discovered, to be blamed on hotel staff. It may have been crucial to Mr. Burki's own protection that he went in person to fetch a uniformed officer to witness the find.

The silence in the mainstream media on the event has so far been deafening. An article appeared the next day in the UK Daily Jang, an urdu publication, written by Abbas Malik who was at the scene. There was also a short mention of the discovery in a GEO news bulletin in Pakistan. But after that, nothing - and indeed, when the cleric Dr. Naseem mentioned the event to the Chief Constable of Birmingham Police, he confessed he had no knowledge about it.

An enquiry to West Midlands Police Press Office was able to confirm only that 'suspicious material' had been seized.


Pictures

Police document confiming seizure
First page of a police statement
Daily Jang article front
Jang article cont.
 
Jazzz said:
Mr Burki has a relative who received the Victoria Cross for fighting on behalf of the British...
What possible relevance has this unnamed 'relative's' claimed achievements got to do with your yarn?

But seeing as you brought it up and clearly think it of consequence to your claims, what is the hero's name please?
 
Just quickly for now:

First line:

"When a huge cache of Al-Qaeda material was discovered in a small Birmingham hotel in the midst of this years? July terror campaign"

THIS is supposed to be what you're trying to establish. You've assumed that it's

a) Bomb making material
b) That's came from AQ

When your article offers no evidence that this is the case - there's no links made or, there's no confirmation etc This is useless stuff.
 
butchersapron said:
When your article offers no evidence that this is the case - there's no links made or, there's no confirmation etc This is useless stuff.
I've rarely read such a shoddy collection of half-arsed claims put together so sloppily.

Jazzz's 'report' is just a load of cobbled together bits of random information and vague suppositions looking for a common conspiraloon theme.
 
Jazzz said:
And not least, a colossal sum of sterling. “I don’t know how much there was. I opened it, saw it was money, and then quickly closed it again,” he said of the red-hot find. “It was difficult to lift the bag”.
Why would he try and pick up the bag?
 
Thank you for the responses to my article so far.

Stobart Stopper
You appear to be lost; this is a politics forum, dear. Why don't you offer hobnobs in general?

butchersapron
This is the first time Mr Burki has been interviewed, so there aren't any 'links'! This is original research. However, I have provided the Daily Jang article which is the report from Abbas Malik, who was present at the scene. I hope to have a translation of it, and more details, soon. Earlier internet reports were based on recollections of that article by Dr Naseem, and erroneous. I have taken care to accurately reflect Mr Burki's account.

Pickman's Model
An enlightening critique, thank you.

Fridgemagnet
Yes, this is a particularly astonishing part of the story.

editor
I didn't think the name of the relative was a particularly important detail, however if you feel it's crucial I will ask Mr Burki if I see him again.
 
Jazzz said:
I didn't think the name of the relative was a particularly important detail,
So why did you bring it up?

And who was this mysterious BBC reporter you claim was "ordered away"?
 
editor - I've travelled hundreds of miles to provide fellow urbanites with an original story. I don't get the impression that you appreciate that, nor that your comments are constructive. If you just want to hear stuff from the mainstream media, that's up to you.
 
Jazzz said:
editor - I've travelled hundreds of miles to provide fellow urbanites with an original story. I don't get the impression that you appreciate that, nor that your comments are constructive. If you just want to hear stuff from the mainstream media, that's up to you.

Jazzz, each time you post a theory you come under attack.

Each time you are attacked, I'm reminded of a post by editor that occurred during the terrorist attacks in London.

Someone had posted a theory, the attack forces rallied and poo-poo'd all over the poster. But something rang true and the editor posted something to the effect that this was no longer a tin-hat theory but a truth.

I wish I could find the post , but it occurred during "Rapunzel"'s time here and I pretty sure that the thread no longer exists.

I enjoy reading your posts, especially this one. It opens my eyes to different views on mainstream thinking and makes me question what we are being told.

Thank you for reminding me to question everything!
 
Jazzz said:
butchersapron

This is the first time Mr Burki has been interviewed, so there aren't any 'links'! This is original research. However, I have provided the Daily Jang article which is the report from Abbas Malik, who was present at the scene. I hope to have a translation of it, and more details, soon. Earlier internet reports were based on recollections of that article by Dr Naseem, and erroneous. I have taken care to accurately reflect Mr Burki's account.


Again, just quickly for now:

It's not the lack of links that i'm complaining about - it's the total lack of evidence for your opening claim that

"a huge cache of Al-Qaeda material was discovered in a small Birmingham hotel"

when that's supposed to be what you were setting about proving - not just simply asserting. You still have nothing beyond the Hotel owners word that he saw what he claims he did, and the police confirming that they visited the hotel (we don't know if they were called, were on a regular inspection, were tipped off about something else etc - we don't know why they were there and that search and seizure docket certainly doesn't show why) and took some material away with them (what it was we don't know). You have nothing beyond the hotel owners claim to confirm or deny what that material was or that it was AQ linked. (Weren't you previously extremely sceptical about thevery existence of AQ anyway?).

So all you have here, beyond the person who spun the original story confirming that 'yes, i am indeed not lying' is the police confirming a search and seizure did take place - of where, what and why we don't know. You've not found any other people to support the hotel owners story and you've been forced to effectively jettison one of your previously central sources.
 
editor said:
So why did you bring it up?

And who was this mysterious BBC reporter you claim was "ordered away"?

You know as an impartial reader, I have to say, you are the one coming across like a prick.

Nit picking about the guy's relatives name?

Ever figure it was information put forward to suggest that Mr Burki has a past that is deeply connected with that of the UK?

No, that couldn't possibly be a plausible answer, no it must be the root to the entire fucking story.

Grow up man, if you have a personal beef with the poster, then don't post in his threads, but don't derail them with stupid bits of nit picking.

I have not read the original 'yarn' as you put it, and frankly I am not interested, just passed this thread and thought i would let you know that as someone who is not involved, you are the one coming across badly.
 
Jazzz said:
The Al-Qaeda cell that never officially existed
Patrick McGuinness
20th November 2005

Would this be the same Patrick McGuiness who was in Phoenix Nights & Max & Paddy's Road to Nowhere with Peter Kay..??
 
Fong said:
You know as an impartial reader, I have to say, you are the one coming across like a prick.
Shut the fuck up with the personal abuse. It doesn't help, you know.
 
Jazzz said:
If you just want to hear stuff from the mainstream media, that's up to you.
Right. Got it. So I'm supposed to question everything printed in the mainstream media, but totally accept anything you post here, even when there's a complete absence of supporting evidence?

You wrote the story so I'm entitled to question your 'facts' just like I would with a news story from any other media.

So who was this BBC reporter? You've introduced him to support your story, so who is he? Why did he meekly disappear when "ordered away" and why hasn't he written anything about this incident which you claim was so unusual?
 
Fong and Spring Peeper...If you guy's had any idea at all of the dozens of threads Jazz has put up over the years which have titles implying the text therein is fact, then I've no doubt you would see the Eds and the other posters on this threads frustrations in a different light.

Jazzz has been asked many many times if he's going to post up dodgy threads then at least do some research.

Check these recent threads out as an example.
As it turns out C.H.I.P was an acronym and there were NO chips! On the fist page Jazz realises he hadn't even read the article properly.

causing panic because of a Rumour (sounds like something the government would try to do) For whatever reason he said there was a Mini Nike going to go off in central London (iirc?)

siding with the mainstream media. Obviously Goldacre has touched a nerve but the person Jazz sides with is a right wing piece of shit and the Journal she quotes from is a Right Wing Rag fronting as a Medical Journal.

Or this example of how the thread titles usually go...Stating Fact where there is none. Whether you believe Chronic Fatigue is completely physical or not, claiming it as fact when it has still not be proven conclusively is typical of his (jazzz) MO.
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome IS a physical condition
I have not read the original 'yarn' as you put it, and frankly I am not interested,
your assuming a lot aren't you? perhaps you should of read the original post before jumping in throwing abuse around.

Sorry for the derail. But in this case Context is everything.
 
You might be right there Wess.

I just said what I did as someone new to the site who saw the owner ripping into a poster on a rather inconsequential matter with a fair amount of vitriole.

There could be history I am not aware of, but that doesn't actually change the message, the Editor is the one coming across in a bad light to anyone who is not aware of that history, which is going to be anyone that is new/browsing.

I think perhaps I was having a bad day and somewhat let my emotions control what I said, I should have just stated that he was appearing in a bad light rather then say he was coming across like a prick. Meh Hindsight, wonderful thing isn't it.
 
If I was in al-Qaeda and going to blow up Paris & London, I'd definitely carry around a big bumper book with the cover title 'al-Qaeda: How to blow up Paris & London'.
 
Fong said:
There could be history I am not aware of, but that doesn't actually change the message, the Editor is the one coming across in a bad light to anyone who is not aware of that history, which is going to be anyone that is new/browsing.
If you think I'm going to start treating his wild yarns with undeserved fawning respect for the sake of mouthy newbies who can't be arsed to research his easily-found history here before wading in, you're very much mistaken.

All I did was robustly challenge his story and, as ever, I'm still waiting for answers.

I'm not so keen on the hard earned popularity and credibility of this site being
exploited and abused by conspiraloons, you see, so when someone declares an improbable story as 'fact', I expect them to be able to substantiate it.
 
mauvais mangue said:
If I was in al-Qaeda and going to blow up Paris & London, I'd definitely carry around a big bumper book with the cover title 'al-Qaeda: How to blow up Paris & London'.
Of course!

That's just the ticket if you're trying to avoid raising suspicion - fill your hotel room with documents emblazoned (and I quote directly), ‘Osama Bin Laden’ – large letters… ‘Attack London’… ‘Attack Paris’…” and, of course, ensure there a rich supply of documents on hand, written in English, with "instructions on attacking trains, and airplanes, a map of Afghanistan and Pakistan, and many terrorist-related books."

Perhaps a large placard with the words, "TERRORIST OVER HERE" might have completed the undercover outfit?
 
P.S: That article seems pretty sure our imaginary hotel manager found our imaginary stash on the 17th July; in fact it says it twice. How then can the West Midlands police statement sheet that "Jazzz" so kindly provides be from the 13th July?
 
mauvais mangue said:
P.S: That article seems pretty sure our imaginary hotel manager found our imaginary stash on the 17th July; in fact it says it twice. How then can the West Midlands police statement sheet that "Jazzz" so kindly provides be from the 13th July?
Details my boy, mere details!

:D :D :D
 
You know those awful American crime series where they have to keep recapping the story in obvious detail for dim-witted watchers and the evidence seen at crime scenes is always made really obvious so that the detective can conclusively prove his case?

I don't think even the most rubbish writer could dream up something so blatantly ridiculous as what that 'truthseeker' article claims the hotel owner saw:
...on 17 July the hotel proprietor decided to take a look inside the room. In it he found:
a) 2 black bags containing a large amount of British currency;
b) a ‘Bin Laden’ tape;
c) ‘Al Qaeda’ manuals on “How to make bombs” and “ How to blow up an air-liner”;
d) a knife with bloodstains on it (in one of the bags)
PS How would he know it was a Bin Laden tape? Did he listen to it or was Osama's mugshot on the cover?
 
It was probably labelled "Bin Laden tape for listening to with your ears".

That article even got the Birmingham alert date wrong.
 
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