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Nice to see you've improved your signal to noise ratio.Azrael23 said:Nice to see the "experts" telling us what to think.
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The 7/7 Report
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Badger Kitten
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In what way am I telling her what to think, Azrael, by asking her if she does, or does not accept the existance of Islamist groups within the UK who espouse suicide martyrdom operations in the UK as part of their philosphy of jihad?
It's a straight question, along the lines of, do you accept that the world is round, or do you accept the existence of dentists? Or rapists?
I can prove to you that Islamic extremist groups in the UK and I do not need to be an expert to do so, I can also prove to you thatdentists and rapists exist.
Prole seems to operate in a world where suicide-bombing-espousing Islamic extremist groups don't exist in the UK, and I am trying to confirm whether this is true or not, so we can discuss the 7/7 report in a meaningful way.
Trying to discuss, say, rape, when one party does not accept that rapists exist ( or that they exist in the UK) is rather difficult. Ditto this discussion.
Do you wish to contribute BTW, Azrael, or are you just here to make smart-ass quips that are neither smart nor amusing?
It's a straight question, along the lines of, do you accept that the world is round, or do you accept the existence of dentists? Or rapists?
I can prove to you that Islamic extremist groups in the UK and I do not need to be an expert to do so, I can also prove to you thatdentists and rapists exist.
Prole seems to operate in a world where suicide-bombing-espousing Islamic extremist groups don't exist in the UK, and I am trying to confirm whether this is true or not, so we can discuss the 7/7 report in a meaningful way.
Trying to discuss, say, rape, when one party does not accept that rapists exist ( or that they exist in the UK) is rather difficult. Ditto this discussion.
Do you wish to contribute BTW, Azrael, or are you just here to make smart-ass quips that are neither smart nor amusing?
There is a big difference between espousing 'martyrdom' operations and actually carrying them out. There is no proof and no mention in the official report of any of the 4 accused belonging to any of these groups, is there? You think that by accepting that there is proves the existence of home-grown suicide-bombers. I question that logic. It may appear to fit a nice neat and simple explanation for these events, but we have yet to see any evidence for it.BK said:
There is proof though that the Iqra bookshop was run by a white 'convert' to Islam who was an ex-SBS anti-terrorist operative. That is like discovering an ex-SAS operative running a Republican bookshop in the Bogside. Strange but true. Of course you will say that he was drawn to 'violent Jihadist doctrines'. There could of course be another explanation.
Much as the Protocols of Zion were a fake, but were very useful for the demonising of the Bolshevik revolution, the jewish people and for the rise of Hitler, I suspect we will find that talk of 'islamo-fascism' and 'death-cult Islamists' is serving much the same purpose.
Now can you tell me your views on the Bush video where he claims to have seen the first plane hit the tower before entering the classroom on 11/9? That might have a greater significance to these events than you seem to realise.
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You fucking liar. Here's your own words:Prole said:
Seeing as you specifically named me, please explain how his article "exposed me", Prole.
Even Nafeez has acknowledged that he wasn't banned for the content of his post, so kindly retract your lies.
And get my fucking name off his site or you can fuck off this one.
Your name would still appear in the post above mine, which I presume is read first. Is there any reason I cannot use your first name? Am I breaking one of the precious and sacred FAQ's?editor said:
As for Nafeez acknowledging he wasn't banned for the content, that's not exactly true is it:
Oh I see he added this as a comment without changing his blog post. Perhaps he should've added it as an update to the post where it might have been seen.editor said:
Nafeez appears to have accepted your explanation although I see he has declined to rejoin at present.
All sorted then. But of course you will now want to start bullying me with your obsessive rhetoric about what a liar I am etc. etc. If Nafeez can move on, so can you.
Could we swop Prole for Nafeez?
At least it would mean we didn't have to wade through yards and yards of regurgitated shite for a while ... and he couldn;t be any worse ...
At least it would mean we didn't have to wade through yards and yards of regurgitated shite for a while ... and he couldn;t be any worse ...
Badger Kitten
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Best of Prole over over 125 pages
''They caught the 7.40 Thameslink train from Luton which as we know was cancelled that day..so all the rest is a crock unless these 4 young men had teleporting abilities.
It is a travesty of justice, these men didn't do it.Read the narrative and then you'll know what tasteless fact-free conspiraloonery really looks like.
[ when asked what happened]
I don't know but when I find out I'll be sure to let you know.
I'm just an ordinary person who has tried to investigate the evidence that is in the public domain about the events of 7th July. I can't offer proof that 'something else happened' all I can do is examine the 'proof' of what we have been told happened. Only the truth stands up to rigorous investigation
The demonisation of Islam as a 'murder cult' has stong parallels with the fascist demonisation of the jews methinks.
The conclusions of the narrative are particularly worrying as they stress that these young men showed no signs of being 'religious maniacs' in fact quite the opposite they were well-integrated just like any other young working-class Muslim lads.
[Reichstag fire mentioned over 20 times. Puddles, change of trousers carrying a plastic bag, allegations of photoshoppery, wrong train time table, don't think 3 peopl e would fit in a Micra ( plus the rucksacks) ]
From the evidence that I've researched so far there is no such thing as home-grown Islamic suicide-bombers.
I don't know what my 'take' is exactly
I will agree that 4 young British men angry at the present slaughter of innocents by Bush and Blair could have bombed London when I have seen conclusive evidence for this.
PROLE'S BLOG 's AIM ''To ascertain the facts behind the so-called London Bombings on 7/7/05''
...innocent until proven guilty methinks
I can see how having a neat theory that 4 men suicide bombed London transport on 7th July doesn't require much thought or evidence.
I actually find it very frightening to imagine other scenarios, and I'm not sure that I can. I do know that fact is often stranger than fiction.
I've seen the Flag of St George flying everywhere recently. Increased police powers, 28 day lock-up (interestingly mooted by none other than Peter Power on Newsnight in the days following 7th July). The creation of an external enemy as in the war of terror, the creation of an internal enemy (young muslims if we believe the official report of 7th July). ID cards giving the state far reaching powers. etc etc etc
I also believe that acts of 'terrorism' are carried out by groups pursuing a political agenda ie IRA ETA etc. I do not know what acts would be carried out in the name of 'Islam' or if in fact any ever have been.
But then don't let little things like facts get in the way of a good story.
If something doesn't make sense it's usually because it's nonsense.
She [BK] wasn't even aware that her carriage had been bombed at the time, I've read her reports here.
Yes somethng 'shifted for me that day' as it did for many who have made contact since. It's called a paradigm shift, an awakening. it's very uncomfortable but once it's happened you have a responsibilty not to ignore it, because life came never go on in the same way it has before.
[On who is not allowed to post on the site c. to FAQ ]No small-minded bigots? How comes so many of you managed to slip through?
I have no idea what a normal person with no axe to grind and no agenda looks like. Certainly aren't any here. It would seem to me that the sort of person who would bother to check the train times from Luton that morning would be the sort of person who would question the PTB.
I will continue to campaign for this and take the abuse, the smears and the name-calling because this is far too important than anyone's ego or personal standing. I take it all from you but know that it is pointless, you can't conduct a war of attrition against the need for truth and justice.
A burning cross we were told, now who uses that as a symbol mewonders?
Independent = beholden to noone.
Researcher = one who carries out research
Middle-class wankers = well you know who you are
Thatcher didn't eliminate all the proles, despite a great deal of effort. Nor did Bliar with all his talk of meritocracy. There are some of us left. So no, I'm not middle-class. although I'd guess the majority of you are
The middle-classes have more at stake and hence more to lose. Therefore it is incumbent on you to want to believe the 'official report'. The working class have always known what governments are like and whose interests they serve, and how every small victory whether in wages or conditions has been gained through their own blood sweat and tears. They also do not have to ride on the backs of anyone.
I have more in common with a Muslim worker living in Beeston than I do with the likes of many of you. These are called class interests. They still exist y'know.
Who decides what is credible? You? It's often that arrogance that is the dead give away.
I am not trying to convince anyone. If you think and feel you have seen enough evidence to support the official report then that's your choice.
I still believe in innocent until proven guilty. That's my choice
I came here by accident originally I think jazz posted a link to my blog. I found the hostility intriguing and have ever since. I much prefer a good argument than loads of people agreeing with each other, yes. I've also been tempted to stay because despite all the abuse I get, I have a) waited to see what would force you to ban me b) if any of your opinions shift c) If they do, what shifts them d) what makes you feel so threatened by me e) because sometimes BK comes on and her attitude towards me is interesting f) I have never been the target of a character assassination or smears before, so it's interesting to see what passes for and becomes accepted as truth g) it appears all it takes is for something to be repeated enough times ie conspiraloon etc. h) how people here are unable to deal with me as an individual.Almost a sociological experiment methinks.
I cannot accept that anyone's guilt, for whatever crime, can be based on gross inaccuracies such as train times, and one cctv image taken miles from the scene.
Oh I see, I'm not actually allowed to defend myself. Kangaroo court rules.
If they caught the 7.25 then there should be evidence to back this up.
I never intended to post here 'to win anyone over'. I arrived here via a link to my blog and stayed to discuss the issues. Little did I know then the sorts of people that would post here. And the levels of abuse that would be allowed. As I have said it has been anything from a kangaroo court (presided over by you as Judge and Jury) and at times a lynch mob.
I have always tried to remain polite despite serious provocation.
Bearing in mind that I do believe in extremism and extremists of all faiths and political views? I, too, am furious about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I assume you are also. Quite a lot of people in this country were. Do you believe yourself capable of doing such a thing in order to 'protest' about it? Can you not see the incongruity of it? These men - and bear in mind that two of them apparently felt so strongly about all this they haven't even apparently bothered making a similar video - committing such an act when they had never suffered the agony of seeing their own families and homes destroyed the way, say, Palestinians have?
Yes, young men get radicalised. But to such a degree that they would blow up innocent people who they knew were against this suffering that our government perpetuates?
The fact that you call them bombers suggests that you've already decided that they're guilty, which makes me wonder why you would bother joining a forum that's trying to find the truth
I really enjoy how you lot fill all the glaring holes in the narrative with your own imaginingsI for one haven't figured out who the real terrorists are yet.
It is a travesty of justice, these men didn't do it''
''They caught the 7.40 Thameslink train from Luton which as we know was cancelled that day..so all the rest is a crock unless these 4 young men had teleporting abilities.
It is a travesty of justice, these men didn't do it.Read the narrative and then you'll know what tasteless fact-free conspiraloonery really looks like.
[ when asked what happened]
I don't know but when I find out I'll be sure to let you know.
I'm just an ordinary person who has tried to investigate the evidence that is in the public domain about the events of 7th July. I can't offer proof that 'something else happened' all I can do is examine the 'proof' of what we have been told happened. Only the truth stands up to rigorous investigation
The demonisation of Islam as a 'murder cult' has stong parallels with the fascist demonisation of the jews methinks.
The conclusions of the narrative are particularly worrying as they stress that these young men showed no signs of being 'religious maniacs' in fact quite the opposite they were well-integrated just like any other young working-class Muslim lads.
[Reichstag fire mentioned over 20 times. Puddles, change of trousers carrying a plastic bag, allegations of photoshoppery, wrong train time table, don't think 3 peopl e would fit in a Micra ( plus the rucksacks) ]
From the evidence that I've researched so far there is no such thing as home-grown Islamic suicide-bombers.
I don't know what my 'take' is exactly
I will agree that 4 young British men angry at the present slaughter of innocents by Bush and Blair could have bombed London when I have seen conclusive evidence for this.
PROLE'S BLOG 's AIM ''To ascertain the facts behind the so-called London Bombings on 7/7/05''
...innocent until proven guilty methinks
I can see how having a neat theory that 4 men suicide bombed London transport on 7th July doesn't require much thought or evidence.
I actually find it very frightening to imagine other scenarios, and I'm not sure that I can. I do know that fact is often stranger than fiction.
I've seen the Flag of St George flying everywhere recently. Increased police powers, 28 day lock-up (interestingly mooted by none other than Peter Power on Newsnight in the days following 7th July). The creation of an external enemy as in the war of terror, the creation of an internal enemy (young muslims if we believe the official report of 7th July). ID cards giving the state far reaching powers. etc etc etc
I also believe that acts of 'terrorism' are carried out by groups pursuing a political agenda ie IRA ETA etc. I do not know what acts would be carried out in the name of 'Islam' or if in fact any ever have been.
But then don't let little things like facts get in the way of a good story.
If something doesn't make sense it's usually because it's nonsense.
She [BK] wasn't even aware that her carriage had been bombed at the time, I've read her reports here.
Yes somethng 'shifted for me that day' as it did for many who have made contact since. It's called a paradigm shift, an awakening. it's very uncomfortable but once it's happened you have a responsibilty not to ignore it, because life came never go on in the same way it has before.
[On who is not allowed to post on the site c. to FAQ ]No small-minded bigots? How comes so many of you managed to slip through?
I have no idea what a normal person with no axe to grind and no agenda looks like. Certainly aren't any here. It would seem to me that the sort of person who would bother to check the train times from Luton that morning would be the sort of person who would question the PTB.
I will continue to campaign for this and take the abuse, the smears and the name-calling because this is far too important than anyone's ego or personal standing. I take it all from you but know that it is pointless, you can't conduct a war of attrition against the need for truth and justice.
A burning cross we were told, now who uses that as a symbol mewonders?
Independent = beholden to noone.
Researcher = one who carries out research
Middle-class wankers = well you know who you are
Thatcher didn't eliminate all the proles, despite a great deal of effort. Nor did Bliar with all his talk of meritocracy. There are some of us left. So no, I'm not middle-class. although I'd guess the majority of you are
The middle-classes have more at stake and hence more to lose. Therefore it is incumbent on you to want to believe the 'official report'. The working class have always known what governments are like and whose interests they serve, and how every small victory whether in wages or conditions has been gained through their own blood sweat and tears. They also do not have to ride on the backs of anyone.
I have more in common with a Muslim worker living in Beeston than I do with the likes of many of you. These are called class interests. They still exist y'know.
Who decides what is credible? You? It's often that arrogance that is the dead give away.
I am not trying to convince anyone. If you think and feel you have seen enough evidence to support the official report then that's your choice.
I still believe in innocent until proven guilty. That's my choice
I came here by accident originally I think jazz posted a link to my blog. I found the hostility intriguing and have ever since. I much prefer a good argument than loads of people agreeing with each other, yes. I've also been tempted to stay because despite all the abuse I get, I have a) waited to see what would force you to ban me b) if any of your opinions shift c) If they do, what shifts them d) what makes you feel so threatened by me e) because sometimes BK comes on and her attitude towards me is interesting f) I have never been the target of a character assassination or smears before, so it's interesting to see what passes for and becomes accepted as truth g) it appears all it takes is for something to be repeated enough times ie conspiraloon etc. h) how people here are unable to deal with me as an individual.Almost a sociological experiment methinks.
I cannot accept that anyone's guilt, for whatever crime, can be based on gross inaccuracies such as train times, and one cctv image taken miles from the scene.
Oh I see, I'm not actually allowed to defend myself. Kangaroo court rules.
If they caught the 7.25 then there should be evidence to back this up.
I never intended to post here 'to win anyone over'. I arrived here via a link to my blog and stayed to discuss the issues. Little did I know then the sorts of people that would post here. And the levels of abuse that would be allowed. As I have said it has been anything from a kangaroo court (presided over by you as Judge and Jury) and at times a lynch mob.
I have always tried to remain polite despite serious provocation.
Bearing in mind that I do believe in extremism and extremists of all faiths and political views? I, too, am furious about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I assume you are also. Quite a lot of people in this country were. Do you believe yourself capable of doing such a thing in order to 'protest' about it? Can you not see the incongruity of it? These men - and bear in mind that two of them apparently felt so strongly about all this they haven't even apparently bothered making a similar video - committing such an act when they had never suffered the agony of seeing their own families and homes destroyed the way, say, Palestinians have?
Yes, young men get radicalised. But to such a degree that they would blow up innocent people who they knew were against this suffering that our government perpetuates?
The fact that you call them bombers suggests that you've already decided that they're guilty, which makes me wonder why you would bother joining a forum that's trying to find the truth
I really enjoy how you lot fill all the glaring holes in the narrative with your own imaginingsI for one haven't figured out who the real terrorists are yet.
It is a travesty of justice, these men didn't do it''
Not true though, I posted my comment in agreement with Nafeez's original statement. I look forward to seeing what sort of reception he'll receive here and whether there will be 'open critical discussion' of the subjects he researches. That would make a change.editor said:
I'll apologise if you admit that you are totally biased, unfair and a bully who thinks that running U75 infers some godlike status that gives him the right to 'demand' that people say what he wants to hear, who always thinks he is right and whose attitude sets the tone for some of the most foul-mouthed abuse and threats which he never fails to ignore, whose comments never enhance or add to the debate and will end up with boards that only those who are like him, in his own image, will want to post on.
Badger Kitten
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Prole said:
Murderer-exonerating fact-denier.
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hiraethified
So you'll be posting up a comment with a retraction in line with his last comment, yes?Prole said:
And you still haven't explained how he "exposed" me. I didn't bin his thread or ban him or have any involvement with him here at all in fact, so what the fuck you on about?
For a so-called 'truth seeker' you sure seem keen to continue to promote a dishonest line.
Prole said:
Go on then, show us yours then... And then we'll show you the twisted trains, the twisted bus, and the wrecked lives the bombers the bombers left behind. Its pretty good evidence for us all...And guess what the most twisted thing will be...? You.
Oh, and what happened to the retraction the Editor wanted...?
mikeinworthing
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Prole said:
WTF - you seriously do not understand u75 do you?
Continuous boring auto-rants are not helping you to get across your points, whatever they maybe.
Badger Kitten
oof
Prole said:
Jesus Christ, you dishonest lying misrepresentative murderer exonerating idiot.
I do not care if Jermaine Lindsey got the 7.24 or the 7.40 train because I know that the fact is he killed 26 people and injured 340 and that, fool, is good enough for me,
I do not need some fucked up idiot telling me that suicide bombers in the UK don't exist and the cunt who murdered the passengers of my train was innocent.I can look at that bag, which was bought a week before the bombs, and I can see what it looked like on 8/7 and remember what it looked like on 6/7.
My ''starting point'', by the way, for my interest in truth, and lies, and life, and death, is not dying in a suicide bomb when I should, by all accounts, be maimed or dead
And what yours is for meddling in stuff you know nothing about, and picking over the bleeding corpses of the dying and injured I don't know.I cannot fathom why you are tolerated in your delusional bullshit.
Innocent? Innocent?
Fuck you.
Fuck you, Prole, you lying, mendacious, stupid fool.
Badger Kitten
oof
I wouldn't hold your breath. She seems to wallow in peddling deceit and has no idea of reality.
Badger Kitten
oof
I am surprised by how angry reading her posts makes me feel. But right now, I find myself wishing with all my heart she had been on the suicide-bombed train.
Which is not wishing her dead, just wishing her conscious.
Which is not wishing her dead, just wishing her conscious.
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