The 7/7 Report
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Bob_the_lost
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Jazzz said:If this was indeed the post that resulted in an immediate, no discussion ban that is really a new low even for urban75
Oh fuck off. Have you looked at the posts that got him banned? Straight, flat out spamming. Has he asked to be given another chance? Doesn't appear so.
Has he appologised for spamming? Like fuck. If you post up reams of crap then you get banned, why the hell we should care what he's written when he's a prick online?
Badger Kitten
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Can I just point out, Prole that it is not the responsibility of the police to ''release the evidence'' to satisfy every crank with an agenda?
They have released enough evidence to satisfy
a) survivors & bereaved
b) the media ( who would be right on it if it was a cover up)
c) 99.9% of the UK and the rest of the world.
The sites were examined by scientists, pathologists, members of the emergency services clearing the scene and witnessed by survivors.
None of whom have stepped forward and said there is any evidence for the suicide bombings not having happened as described.
The bombers left wills and tapes saying their intentions and motivations. They trained in camps were they were taught to use explosives. They wanted to commit acts of jihad in protest at the Uk's foreign policy. Their remains were discovred at the scenes, with explosives and detonators. This is all proved.
Perhaps Huntley is innocent in your world? after all, he denied it, didn't he? You weren't allowed into the lab to see the forensics, were you? You didn't pop into the morgue to see the bodies, did you? So I assume you think he, and every other murderer and rapist doing time is also ''innocent as a new born lamb''. After all, you have not seen the evidence so it must be a giant cover up by evil state agents, mustn't it?
FFS.
They have released enough evidence to satisfy
a) survivors & bereaved
b) the media ( who would be right on it if it was a cover up)
c) 99.9% of the UK and the rest of the world.
The sites were examined by scientists, pathologists, members of the emergency services clearing the scene and witnessed by survivors.
None of whom have stepped forward and said there is any evidence for the suicide bombings not having happened as described.
The bombers left wills and tapes saying their intentions and motivations. They trained in camps were they were taught to use explosives. They wanted to commit acts of jihad in protest at the Uk's foreign policy. Their remains were discovred at the scenes, with explosives and detonators. This is all proved.
Perhaps Huntley is innocent in your world? after all, he denied it, didn't he? You weren't allowed into the lab to see the forensics, were you? You didn't pop into the morgue to see the bodies, did you? So I assume you think he, and every other murderer and rapist doing time is also ''innocent as a new born lamb''. After all, you have not seen the evidence so it must be a giant cover up by evil state agents, mustn't it?
FFS.
FridgeMagnet
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*chuckles at the idea of emailing every spammer to say "ooh sorry we banned you but these are the rules"*Jazzz said:
Every crank with an agenda? Over 500 people in 4 weeks have signed a petition for the Release of the Evidence to support the narrative. Including Alex Cox and AbdulWahid Hamid, or are they cranks as well?Badger Kitten said:
"The bombers left wills etc", well, two made videos. Neither which specify these attacks. Perhaps intending to fight in Iraq, rather like many did during the Spanish civil war, but they were called the International Brigade then. Videos that include one Adam Gadahn, a white American 'convert' whose grandfather was on the board of the ADL and is the Al'Q video maestro, apparantly from a cave in the Bora Bora mountains. Not unlike the fact that Martin 'Abdullah' McDaid should end up running the Iqra bookshop in Beeston, another white 'convert' but this time an ex-SBS anti-terrorist operative. Just coincidence or perhaps there is more to this than we know, and that is the point, we actually know very little given that we are told that precisely no-one else was involved. Especially not Haroon Rashid Aswat, the MI6 double-agent, who left the UK the previous day.
There are too many anomalies and inconsitencies in the official version, not least the fact that John Reid claims forensic reports are not available yet.
Why did the MPS claim that a train was hit on an adjoining platform after the blast tore through a tunnel wall at Edgware Rd? How does that fit in with even the most 'fog of chaos' theory? How were survivors from the Piccadilly Line train in the BTP HQ's by 9.09am? Why have the MPS got every blast site wrong in their one week anniversary recap and have never issued any update of this information?
The events in London on 7th July 2005 affect us all, they are the reason for the increasing police state mentality and subsequent loss of civil liberties. We need to know what happened that day, for all our sakes.
Bob_the_lost
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Bollocks, he was linking repeatedly to a blog. He copied and pasted a huge ream of text. Intentions are irrelevant, he did post spam.Jazzz said:
Novice poster? If he's too stupid or lazy to read the FAQ or the mod's notes when a thread is binned...
Text he had written himself, which I wouldn't consider cut & paste either. I'm sure that had any effort been made to engage with Nafeez rather than summarily banning him there wouldn't have been a problem.
Saying 'blah, blah, FAQ, blah' is the kind of mentality one expects from traffic wardens
Saying 'blah, blah, FAQ, blah' is the kind of mentality one expects from traffic wardens
FridgeMagnet
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*chuckles at the idea of "warning" every "novice poster"*Jazzz said:
If they're that interested in contributing, they can simply email saying "oi, what's going on, I just wanted to talk about X" and 99% of the time they'll be let back on. The way *not* to do it is to start a blog post about how it's basically censorship and U75 mods just don't want to listen to the TRUTH, imply that we're racist as well, ignore any emails sent clarifying the decision and delete any blog comments on the same subject.
I just submitted my third non-anonymous comment there; will it show up? I'm doubting it.
Bob_the_lost
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Wasting time trying to engage with people who C&P is pointless. You should know that by now.Jazzz said:Text he had written himself, which I wouldn't consider cut & paste either. I'm sure that had any effort been made to engage with Nafeez rather than summarily banning him there wouldn't have been a problem.
Saying 'blah, blah, FAQ, blah' is the kind of mentality one expects from traffic wardens
Then I am greatly puzzled by your call for a public inquiry. What evidence would be presented in it? Because that's what you get with public enquiries. Ah, I think I understand. It doesn't need all the evidence. It can skate over the bits which you accept! It needs go over the stuff which you aren't sure about. Never mind that this compromises the whole thing.Badger Kitten said:
You could call it a 'badger kitten' enquiry
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Intention and result are two very different things aren't they.Prole said:
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
What, you're not responsible for your intentons? Interesting ethical viewpoint you've got there.Prole said:
FridgeMagnet
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What Blairite tripe. "Oh, I didn't mean to fuck Iraq and you can't prove that I did, I'm not responsible for what happened".Prole said:
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
I see, you've gone from an interesting ethical viewpoint to one crafted of the finest Bullock manure.Prole said:
And his intention was what exactly? To find WMD? I think bombing another country on the basis of a lie you could pretty much guarantee the outcome.FridgeMagnet said:
Questioning the events of 7th July on the basis of the lack of evidence has caused distress to one survivor to my knowledge, and I've never really understood why. I claim we are on the same side if we're on the side of truth and justice.
Well my guess is he was interested in contributing, but after finding his efforts summarily deleted and banned he might think he has better things to do. I would agree about censorship and mods not wanting to listen to the truth, he's bang on. Oh well.FridgeMagnet said:
This Nafeez character:
At this point I am advancing the theory that he is actually 14, called Jim-Bob, and sat in an attic in Desespair, Arkansas
But..
Now I conclude that he's a True Believer. He don't need no steenkin' evidence. Like a poster here, he may protest that he's Only Asking Questions, but his behaviour makes it very, very likely that this is a lie.
And I know, therefore, that there is no call whatsoever to invest time in reading his book.
I don't care how many quotes he has on his book cover. Next time I'm talking to any of the people quoted I shall fill them in.
- He's banned from a bulletin board - for failing to do the teensiest bit of research into the local customs, procedures and rules
- Does he take this as a sign that perhaps he ought to do some research, or just ask a question?
- Oh no - he rushes straight for his blog to sound off about how he's been CENSORED!!1!
At this point I am advancing the theory that he is actually 14, called Jim-Bob, and sat in an attic in Desespair, Arkansas
But..
- People then try to post explanations for his bulletin board.
- Does he thank them for improvement of his knowledge of the world and how it works?
- No, he blocks their posting so he can continue to complain that he's been CENSORED!!1!
Now I conclude that he's a True Believer. He don't need no steenkin' evidence. Like a poster here, he may protest that he's Only Asking Questions, but his behaviour makes it very, very likely that this is a lie.
And I know, therefore, that there is no call whatsoever to invest time in reading his book.
I don't care how many quotes he has on his book cover. Next time I'm talking to any of the people quoted I shall fill them in.
Badger Kitten
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Jazz said:
Do you know what, after
a) blogging for 10 months on the subject ( go look down the sidebar for a comprehensive round up of links)
b) campaigning relentlessly for 10 months with others
c) writing features in the Mirror, Sunday Times x 3, speaking on BBC, C4, ITN, BBC World Service, CNN, Fox, ABC, Reuters, Press Association, Japanese, Chinese, South American, Norweigian, French, Italian, Spanish TV/radio/press about why an inquiry into 7/7 would be helpful, I can't be bothered to explain yet again to you why I want a 7/7 inquiry.
Go and fucking well look it up.
Or don't bother. Since you already 'think' you 'understand', why trouble yourself with evidence or research? Or, indeed, facts?
Just carry on believing what the hell you like.
There is no proof currently in the public domain that the bombs were not planted by Terry Wogan. There is no proof that the trains and bus were not full of actors and stuntmen. After all, perhaps the hospitals were in on it. Perhaps 7/7 never happened at all. Perhaps we all blacked up in the tunnels and came out covered in ketchup in order to frame the Muslims of the UK and foment race war. There is no proof I can offer you that I am not an M15 disinfo agent. There is no proof that you are not the Messiah.
Fuck's sake.
As you've previously stated BK you don't want an inquiry into what happened as you claim to know what happened that day. You want an inquiry into why it happened? Surely you already claim to know that as well, it's 'blowback' for Iraq.
Are you actually asking for an inquiry into whether it could have been prevented or not?
But isn't that what Crevice and Forest Gate and JCdM and 10/8 are all apparently about, 'preventing another attack'?
Are you actually asking for an inquiry into whether it could have been prevented or not?
But isn't that what Crevice and Forest Gate and JCdM and 10/8 are all apparently about, 'preventing another attack'?
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