Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
It's not like the reactionaries would do the same for us, if the positions were reversed.
Thatcher is dead
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It's not like the reactionaries would do the same for us, if the positions were reversed.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
No, they're not, they really aren't. It's total daily readership is in excess, on average, of seven million - that's simply too many to write off in that manner. that includes all those with too little an interest in football to really get the Hillsborough thing, all those who read the copy lying about the office (or wherever), all those who buy it for reader offers, for the showbiz/celeb stories, for the other weird stories, and yes for Page 3.
It's also about 11.5% of the entire Uk population. All complete mindless cunts?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
All the ex-colleagues that bought The Sun 'for the sport'.
I found this hard to believe as the broadsheets cover sport in a much more detailed manner than the Sun does
I found this hard to believe as the broadsheets cover sport in a much more detailed manner than the Sun does
i have no interest in football whatsoever, but still 'get' the hillsborough 'thing'.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Nobody reads the Sun where I live.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
i know. but your post suggested an interest in football was necessary to understand why people might boycott the sun because of their hillsborough coverage. i'd suggest that's far from the truth.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The daily sketch
They didn't read anything those 'sorts'. Just sat on a stile chewing on a bit of straw.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
peter and jane go to the zoo?
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
It's a lot more grounded in fact.
2hats
Dust.
Discussion on PM (R4) this evening over a certain chart single continues, involving (I think it was) a Tory peer who is adamant that the BBC shouldn't be playing a tune from a particular MGM musical.
Despite her desperate wriggling to avoid using the term it doesn't appear to have dawned on her that censorship of said track from the historical record is as appropriate a reminder of the malevolence that is being recognised as is the playing of the track itself.
Despite her desperate wriggling to avoid using the term it doesn't appear to have dawned on her that censorship of said track from the historical record is as appropriate a reminder of the malevolence that is being recognised as is the playing of the track itself.
Good point actually. Its win/win whatever happens.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
The whole Thatcher story seems to be one long facep
lm - the latest is some bollocks about putting up a statue to her in Trafalgar square.
Setting aside my distaste for the vile woman and her politics for one moment, what exactly did she do that makes her so notable? Arguably, the benchmark for outstandingness (statue-wise) in PMs seems to be Churchill, who can at least be credited with leading the country through one of the most significant wars of its history - what's Thatcher got by comparison? A bit of strike-breaking, a minor skirmish over a bunch of far-flung islands that should never have happened, and the fucking Poll Tax.
If there's one thing Thatcher was good at, it was writing the legend of Thatcher. I'll grant that her sheer bloody-mindedness meant that she achieved things (the miners, the Falklands) that others may not have achieved, but I am not convinced that either of those achievements were a unilaterally Good Thing in any case, and I think there were so many other cases where her sheer bloody-mindedness resulted in fuckups we're still paying the price for that any possible (notional) benefits to it are well outweighed by the drawbacks.
Statue? The best public memorial to her (leaving aside Thatcher's-head toilet bowls et al) would be a bleak, empty space, inhospitable, wasted and useless. A metaphor for what she did both to large parts of the country and many people's lives. You could even have a big divide down the middle, to symbolise something else.
lm - the latest is some bollocks about putting up a statue to her in Trafalgar square.Setting aside my distaste for the vile woman and her politics for one moment, what exactly did she do that makes her so notable? Arguably, the benchmark for outstandingness (statue-wise) in PMs seems to be Churchill, who can at least be credited with leading the country through one of the most significant wars of its history - what's Thatcher got by comparison? A bit of strike-breaking, a minor skirmish over a bunch of far-flung islands that should never have happened, and the fucking Poll Tax.
If there's one thing Thatcher was good at, it was writing the legend of Thatcher. I'll grant that her sheer bloody-mindedness meant that she achieved things (the miners, the Falklands) that others may not have achieved, but I am not convinced that either of those achievements were a unilaterally Good Thing in any case, and I think there were so many other cases where her sheer bloody-mindedness resulted in fuckups we're still paying the price for that any possible (notional) benefits to it are well outweighed by the drawbacks.
Statue? The best public memorial to her (leaving aside Thatcher's-head toilet bowls et al) would be a bleak, empty space, inhospitable, wasted and useless. A metaphor for what she did both to large parts of the country and many people's lives. You could even have a big divide down the middle, to symbolise something else.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yes, you have a point there, but i would argue that the more passionately interested you are in football, the more liikely you are to have fully grasped all of the pertinent facts and the conclusions that can - should - be drawn
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
a nespaper that most likely closed decades ago, if anything at all, given that the Sun has been going in its' present Murdochian incarnation since 1969
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
that's incredibly snobbish. it also couldn't be more wrong.They didn't read anything those 'sorts'. Just sat on a stile chewing on a bit of straw.
it was a joke ffs. Have you even read my recent posts on this thread?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
He's mirroring some of the people on here who actually think that
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
No public screening of her funeral in Edinburgh for fears of disorder:
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...d-off-for-margaret-thatcher-funeral-1-2889487
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...d-off-for-margaret-thatcher-funeral-1-2889487
2hats
Dust.
Census of the seventh circle of hell?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
I've never liked Steve Cardownie.
I know he's ill and on the way out but has Mandela been invited?
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