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Thatcher is dead

If he gets a shift on they could have a combined funeral and save the family even more dosh.

Note to idiot sons of reviled politicians:

If you're planning on leaving 34 men high and dry in the jails of Equatorial Guinea (among the very worst prisons on Earth) then those 34 men being the type that kill for a living is NOT a safe move.

Just so you know, like...
 
Remember the days before Thatcher there were jumble sales? Under Thatcherism there was no such thing as society and jumble sales died out, to be replaced with car boot sales. It was no longer acceptable to give your junk away for a good cause, you had to sell it for personal gain, paying a management fee to the Boy Scouts.
 
Leake Street tunnel, Waterloo:

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I'm no expert but that looks like a greatest hits of the graffiti community :)
 
this has been her obituary tune all week in my head, from 81




And as I was standing by the edge
I could see the faces of those led pissing themselves laughing
Their mad eyes bulged ,their flushed faces said
The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger
 
It's a while since I was here but I came back tonight, safe in the knowledge that I'd be amongst like-minded people.

Between reading (at a very slow, reminiscing pace), drinking (in an absolutely celebratory manner) and photoshopping, I got as far as page 27, then I heard the birds outside and realised I need some sleep.

I thought I was going to get a bit more enthused over this but I couldn't find it in me to commit any more time to a cunt person bitch woman self-serving cunt who never cared about anyone but herself and her ilk, so on that note, I'm going to bid her a grueling eternity in the pits of hell and before I sleep, I'm going to pray that her self-serving cunts of family and friends aren't too far behind her!

Good riddance, you 'orrible cunt!

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I've avoided the mainstream froth since she carked and don't regret it in the least. I've avoided much of the anti thatch stuff too.

I may have said this before, but I think it's worth keeping in mind:

Frothy behaviour on either "side" such as any tendency to deal in hyperbole or exagerated emotional tones, is probably a function of their separate but large failures. The Thatcherites have next to fuck all to show for their lunatic creed except the advancement of a small elite. There was some kind of revolution of course, but globalisation would have probably pushed us much of that way in any case, and the results have gone very sour. Neoliberalism was first and foremost about a healthy economy. It has fucked the economy. All they can do to explain it away is try and pretend Labour weren't generally neo-liberal in government, only a fool wouldn't see through that. How many fools are exactly out there I won't hazard a guess right now.

But the antis are a depressing failure too. We didn't stop any of that. Though we have disagreements about strategy and solutions that are natural to these situations, it's still a big bad clusterfuck. And the final Labour sell outs didn't work either.

And as the sound and fury, signifying next to fuck all, rages on there is another jaded and screwed entity right in the middle of it - the mainstream media transmitting this endless bilge that will come to have so little actual impact.

In 10 days time they will be back to the normal diet of shit. I can't help think that this period is just a meaningless hiatus. The Thatcherites can gain nothing from it, they have been proved too hopelessly wrong. They can only keep beating the reactionary drum on social issues, hoping we'll blame migrants and the poor for the screw-up. It has appeal, but kind of limited. The real guilty lot are the likes of the BBC and Labour for letting such weak narrative set the pace, but Labour are scared of their own shadow and there's no reason for it to change.

Anti capitalists can gain, not by endlessly re-hashing the same basic rows with tories of the last 30 years, but a sober analysis of why a solid case for genuine (non PFI etc.) social democracy has not been made when it's a perfectly sensible comprimise between the lunatic finance cult and the red menace they invoke to defend themselves. This should not be a party based analysis, at least in the first instance. People's Assemblies are as good a starting point as any, but they are only that and only one of many such options I hope.

Lets take PFI, it's not mega simple, but it's hardly super complex either. How come so few people understand it and the enormous unaccountable rip off that it represents. There's a whole range of other banking and corruption stuff. The dogs in the street know things are very fucked but are murky on detail, which lends them to be dragged into mainstream and fundementally reactionary analysis.

We can't just moan about MSM any more. We know it's complicit, but it aint going away. We have the technology, knowledge and cultural savy to provide decent alternatives. People are walking away from the mainstream, or ready to. But if our alternatives are up, running and good I suspect they are not being promoted fully to the unconverted.

All the above is meant in the best spirit possible. Happy Thursday.
 
I've avoided the mainstream froth since she carked and don't regret it in the least. I've avoided much of the anti thatch stuff too.

I may have said this before, but I think it's worth keeping in mind:

Frothy behaviour on either "side" such as any tendency to deal in hyperbole or exagerated emotional tones, is probably a function of their separate but large failures. The Thatcherites have next to fuck all to show for their lunatic creed except the advancement of a small elite. There was some kind of revolution of course, but globalisation would have probably pushed us much of that way in any case, and the results have gone very sour. Neoliberalism was first and foremost about a healthy economy. It has fucked the economy. All they can do to explain it away is try and pretend Labour weren't generally neo-liberal in government, only a fool wouldn't see through that. How many fools are exactly out there I won't hazard a guess right now.

But the antis are a depressing failure too. We didn't stop any of that. Though we have disagreements about strategy and solutions that are natural to these situations, it's still a big bad clusterfuck. And the final Labour sell outs didn't work either.

And as the sound and fury, signifying next to fuck all, rages on there is another jaded and screwed entity right in the middle of it - the mainstream media transmitting this endless bilge that will come to have so little actual impact.

In 10 days time they will be back to the normal diet of shit. I can't help think that this period is just a meaningless hiatus. The Thatcherites can gain nothing from it, they have been proved too hopelessly wrong. They can only keep beating the reactionary drum on social issues, hoping we'll blame migrants and the poor for the screw-up. It has appeal, but kind of limited. The real guilty lot are the likes of the BBC and Labour for letting such weak narrative set the pace, but Labour are scared of their own shadow and there's no reason for it to change.

Anti capitalists can gain, not by endlessly re-hashing the same basic rows with tories of the last 30 years, but a sober analysis of why a solid case for genuine (non PFI etc.) social democracy has not been made when it's a perfectly sensible comprimise between the lunatic finance cult and the red menace they invoke to defend themselves. This should not be a party based analysis, at least in the first instance. People's Assemblies are as good a starting point as any, but they are only that and only one of many such options I hope.

Lets take PFI, it's not mega simple, but it's hardly super complex either. How come so few people understand it and the enormous unaccountable rip off that it represents. There's a whole range of other banking and corruption stuff. The dogs in the street know things are very fucked but are murky on detail, which lends them to be dragged into mainstream and fundementally reactionary analysis.

We can't just moan about MSM any more. We know it's complicit, but it aint going away. We have the technology, knowledge and cultural savy to provide decent alternatives. People are walking away from the mainstream, or ready to. But if our alternatives are up, running and good I suspect they are not being promoted fully to the unconverted.

All the above is meant in the best spirit possible. Happy Thursday.
This period is not a meaningless hiatus but the time when thatcher's friends want to put the icing on her memory. You have missed her importance as a symbol, and you have missed who's been on the streets partying at her death: predominantly people who would at most have been teens in 1990 and lots of people not even born then. fucking the thatcher memorial fortnight will forever fuck off her supporters. they hate this. So yes it won't lead to revolution tomorrow but it enthuses thousands who despised thatcher and will lead to more people involved in future activity. You seem to think we should let the reactionary scum have it their own way at this time; I disagree.
 
This period is not a meaningless hiatus but the time when thatcher's friends want to put the icing on her memory. You have missed her importance as a symbol, and you have missed who's been on the streets partying at her death: predominantly people who would at most have been teens in 1990 and lots of people not even born then. fucking the thatcher memorial fortnight will forever fuck off her supporters. they hate this. So yes it won't lead to revolution tomorrow but it enthuses thousands who despised thatcher and will lead to more people involved in future activity. You seem to think we should let the reactionary scum have it their own way at this time; I disagree.

Thanks for that. I've just been going off the drift I've seen and come from an open position of delibarately not paid much attention. If what you say about the celebraters is true, and they know why they are doing what they are doing (no reason to think not) then fair enough, I may well stand corrected.

It's worth baring in mind though that in such situations the silent neutrals are still looking from the sidelines, trying to figure things out and often too reliant on MSM to feed them.

When the confrontations come we need as many of them as on side or on side-ish as possible. General delirium now might not be the most persuasive in achieving that. Not saying that is what is happening, but the little I do observe shows me that the hate press are pretty rattled to be fair.

We'll see. Thanks for putting me straight if you're right.
 
Please keep pointing out to people that it's really not a case of such partying being "right" or "wrong", but the same press moaning about alleged bad taste now are the ones who bully regular folk into suicidal depression for a story, spy on murdered children, exploit deaths by arson to make vapid political capital. They are a fucking cancer, the biggest bullies by far in our country as far as rhetoric is concerned. You can't just ignore them because their toxic headlines scream from every stand and their narratives infect "debate" far beyond their pages. They need denouncing at every turn.
 
This period is not a meaningless hiatus but the time when thatcher's friends want to put the icing on her memory. You have missed her importance as a symbol, and you have missed who's been on the streets partying at her death: predominantly people who would at most have been teens in 1990 and lots of people not even born then. fucking the thatcher memorial fortnight will forever fuck off her supporters. they hate this. So yes it won't lead to revolution tomorrow but it enthuses thousands who despised thatcher and will lead to more people involved in future activity. You seem to think we should let the reactionary scum have it their own way at this time; I disagree.

i read a quote somewhere that those who can lay claim to history will own the future . If they succeed in bestowing her with greatness the same thing goes for everything she personified and stood for . And then that will be your lot for good , the perceived wisdom.
Face it, compared to Clegg and Cameron she was a socialist . Theyve pushed the neo liberal envelope even further than she dared . Youll turn nothing around with a polite debate about her legacy . Your only hope is to furiously reject any and all attempts to portray it as in any way noble or decent . She was a psychopathic gangster and that needs pointing out .
 
Interesting poll this. Despite all the stuff about being the first woman leader ( the BBC's main theme) , winning three terms etc its quite clear why the Tories loved her ranking her top two achievements as defeating the miners and the Falklands war .

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I've avoided the mainstream froth since she carked and don't regret it in the least. I've avoided much of the anti thatch stuff too.

I may have said this before, but I think it's worth keeping in mind:

Frothy behaviour on either "side" such as any tendency to deal in hyperbole or exagerated emotional tones, is probably a function of their separate but large failures. The Thatcherites have next to fuck all to show for their lunatic creed except the advancement of a small elite. There was some kind of revolution of course, but globalisation would have probably pushed us much of that way in any case, and the results have gone very sour. Neoliberalism was first and foremost about a healthy economy. It has fucked the economy. All they can do to explain it away is try and pretend Labour weren't generally neo-liberal in government, only a fool wouldn't see through that. How many fools are exactly out there I won't hazard a guess right now.

But the antis are a depressing failure too. We didn't stop any of that. Though we have disagreements about strategy and solutions that are natural to these situations, it's still a big bad clusterfuck. And the final Labour sell outs didn't work either.

And as the sound and fury, signifying next to fuck all, rages on there is another jaded and screwed entity right in the middle of it - the mainstream media transmitting this endless bilge that will come to have so little actual impact.

In 10 days time they will be back to the normal diet of shit. I can't help think that this period is just a meaningless hiatus. The Thatcherites can gain nothing from it, they have been proved too hopelessly wrong. They can only keep beating the reactionary drum on social issues, hoping we'll blame migrants and the poor for the screw-up. It has appeal, but kind of limited. The real guilty lot are the likes of the BBC and Labour for letting such weak narrative set the pace, but Labour are scared of their own shadow and there's no reason for it to change.

Anti capitalists can gain, not by endlessly re-hashing the same basic rows with tories of the last 30 years, but a sober analysis of why a solid case for genuine (non PFI etc.) social democracy has not been made when it's a perfectly sensible comprimise between the lunatic finance cult and the red menace they invoke to defend themselves. This should not be a party based analysis, at least in the first instance. People's Assemblies are as good a starting point as any, but they are only that and only one of many such options I hope.

Lets take PFI, it's not mega simple, but it's hardly super complex either. How come so few people understand it and the enormous unaccountable rip off that it represents. There's a whole range of other banking and corruption stuff. The dogs in the street know things are very fucked but are murky on detail, which lends them to be dragged into mainstream and fundementally reactionary analysis.

We can't just moan about MSM any more. We know it's complicit, but it aint going away. We have the technology, knowledge and cultural savy to provide decent alternatives. People are walking away from the mainstream, or ready to. But if our alternatives are up, running and good I suspect they are not being promoted fully to the unconverted.

All the above is meant in the best spirit possible. Happy Thursday.


Thanks... I'll keep that in mind...!!!
 
Interesting poll this. Despite all the stuff about being the first woman leader ( the BBC's main theme) , winning three terms etc its quite clear why the Tories loved her ranking her top two achievements as defeating the miners and the Falklands war .

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Do/would you expect anything more/less from mindless Sun readers...???
 
Do/would you expect anything more/less from mindless Sun readers...???

Is it a poll of Sun readers, though? And anyway, I often read the Sun at work (among other papers, whatever is to hand when I'm bored in the canteen at break time). And of course I can't look at it critically. I'm dead thick and that.
 
Thanks for that. I've just been going off the drift I've seen and come from an open position of delibarately not paid much attention. If what you say about the celebraters is true, and they know why they are doing what they are doing (no reason to think not) then fair enough, I may well stand corrected.

It's worth baring in mind though that in such situations the silent neutrals are still looking from the sidelines, trying to figure things out and often too reliant on MSM to feed them.

When the confrontations come we need as many of them as on side or on side-ish as possible. General delirium now might not be the most persuasive in achieving that. Not saying that is what is happening, but the little I do observe shows me that the hate press are pretty rattled to be fair.

We'll see. Thanks for putting me straight if you're right.
i am right.
 
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