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have just got in from work, missus has got jelly setting in the fridge and wee tubs of ice cream.....happy fuckin days!
Thatcher is dead
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lazythursday
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Party in full swing in the Trades Club in Hebden Bridge. We've just had a photographer in, seems likely for the Daily Mail cos they phoned earlier.
ruffneck23
front left
they all loved her around here, so i think a trip down the pub for a wind up is in order 
or i could just crack open the bottle of champagne i was given for my birthday , ive been saving for a very special day.
or i could just crack open the bottle of champagne i was given for my birthday , ive been saving for a very special day.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Anyone posted this yet?
tenniselbow
Active Member
Nice rejoinder by Glenn Greenwald on hypocrisy and "respecting the dead":
"Here, for instance, was what the Guardian reported upon the death last month of Hugo Chavez: "To the millions who detested him as a thug and charlatan, it will be occasion to bid, vocally or discreetly, good riddance." Nobody, at least that I know of, objected to that observation on the ground that it was disrespectful to the ability of the Chavez family to mourn in peace."
Looking forward to the Guardian's editorials on Thatch.
"Here, for instance, was what the Guardian reported upon the death last month of Hugo Chavez: "To the millions who detested him as a thug and charlatan, it will be occasion to bid, vocally or discreetly, good riddance." Nobody, at least that I know of, objected to that observation on the ground that it was disrespectful to the ability of the Chavez family to mourn in peace."
Looking forward to the Guardian's editorials on Thatch.
OT, but a sign of how U.K changed, especially youth, we went from the above to Loaded and The Word...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What?
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
nah, waited till I pulled on the drive. Not sure I had even turned the engine off before I picked up the phonewhilst driving?
The World Service stream is ... interestingly balanced. Gerry Adams and a miners' wives chairwoman quoted in the last hour...
tenniselbow
Active Member
Is anyone else struggling to feel the celebratory vibe around this event? I care nothing for Thatcher's family or friends (though Carol seems a little more pitiful than the West-African-coup-d'etat-funding Mark [still amazed he got away with that one!]) and I don't at all begrudge anyone who lived through the 1980s a celebratory jar (or few) tonight and over the coming days.
But for me it feels more like a moment of sad reflection. Her death forces the unavoidable recognition that disgusting Thatcher's politics, ultimately, won, that they are still winning, and that the forces aligned against those politics are weaker than at any point since the defeat of the miners. At the same time the deep-run social and cultural changes that have taken place over the last 30 years -- many spawned from her and her peers' initiatives -- have fundamentally altered the balance of forces in the right's favor to such an extent that it is difficult to see from where new formations that can arrest the march of neoliberal policies can originate. As I said I don't want to be a party-pooper but today of all days does give me a heightened sense of pessimism.
But for me it feels more like a moment of sad reflection. Her death forces the unavoidable recognition that disgusting Thatcher's politics, ultimately, won, that they are still winning, and that the forces aligned against those politics are weaker than at any point since the defeat of the miners. At the same time the deep-run social and cultural changes that have taken place over the last 30 years -- many spawned from her and her peers' initiatives -- have fundamentally altered the balance of forces in the right's favor to such an extent that it is difficult to see from where new formations that can arrest the march of neoliberal policies can originate. As I said I don't want to be a party-pooper but today of all days does give me a heightened sense of pessimism.
tenniselbow
Active Member
Well, I should add, I feel this pessimism especially given the very serious implications for the class caused by the SWP's recent disintegration 
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Personally, I'm no more pessimistic this afternoon compared to this morning.
All this was true yesterday.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Has always been that way, interestingly Thatcher massively cut its funding in the early 80s to make savings but also to keep it on a tight leash over its reporting on Ireland - fell into line quickly, also started the censorship of spokespersons of Sinn Fein.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Well, I should add, I feel this pessimism especially given the very serious implications for the class caused by the SWP's recent disintegration
They've already sacked the bloke who used to pick up the remains of placards from the Embankment.
tenniselbow
Active Member
True. But for me, as I said, it forces a moment of reflection on these overall trajectories and balance of forces. Not a matter of reflection I do every day, though I am generally characterized by a pessimism of the intellect, if not the will, about the state of politics here.
I don't care about her death being celebrated. But ultimately it is a doddery old woman who's passed on, probably with limited cognitive capacities at this point. She lived long enough to see her political and economic vision continue to be built, piece by piece, by successive governments, and her most visceral opponents successively weakened.
Ultimately a frail human body has kicked the bucket. Everything she stood for remains in place; none of that has died. Her legacy and stature will be rewritten and revered in the weeks to come, further strengthening her remnants. So, as I say, I don't begrudge anyone their time to party. Sure, don't mourn; maybe party; but then we'd damn well better organize.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
tempted to get the oxford tube to London....... This needs celebrating properly
Threshers_Flail
Well-Known Member
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
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