Or not. It didn't work with Charlie Hebdo because they're a pretty courageous bunch. Tbh I think any position that isn't full-square support for CH or this teacher is a really muddled and wrong-headed response. They deserve solidarity.
It's what I meant by 'personally affect'.
I can't answer these points properly without falling foul of the point mauvais brought up. It would kind of veer too close to victim-blaming, as I'm coming at this from a (one) teacher's point of view, and it being our job to create a safe and inclusive environment for all of our learners.
How do * you * know it?
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It is a high bar, but no it doesn't make teaching useless. Difficult sometimes, yes. But that's the job.
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I know you're out but I don't think you've really addressed the point. Sometimes these positions are in conflict. The obvious example is a gay student and a student who believes through their religion that gay people go to hell. Sometimes you have to make choices about whom to offend or let down, because not offending or letting down anyone isn't an option.
If you apply that bar to it's limit it would make teaching some subjects so empty as to be useless.Ok - almost out
It is a high bar, but no it doesn't make teaching useless. Difficult sometimes, yes. But that's the job.
(I've just finished my PGCE, so I'm, er... full of it
You could make the same point about the parents protesting outside the Birmingham school. Also have to be careful here about who you are taking to be representatitves of such groups - how many of the Muslim kids chose to leave, for instance? Sections that shout loudest aren't always the most representative.
Funny, I don't recall that when I was at school. My views, opinions, lifestyle, prejudices, likes, dislikes, cultural sensitivities never taken into account, save that in a discussion I had the right to say what I wanted, make my feelings known.
Not true.
So the Brum school's no outsiders teaching didn't offend a particular section of parents?
I hope you're not a teacher
This violent intolerance of dissent, apostasy, blasphemy extends way beyond France. Muslim majority countries have more than their fair share of people prepared to stamp out such viewpoints.
I'm a HE lecturer so like you I am coming from a teachers point it view. Lessons should be inclusive but that does not mean not sometimes putting students in a challenging/controversial environment.I hope you're not a teacher
I don't know whether the the lesson was actually meant to be on "censorship", but if it was, he picked a very messy and many-faceted topic. In fact, I'd say that for a teacher to attempt to delimit it as being about a single thing would be a much more problematic example of censorship than not choosing to show some cartoons.
I have. I had a look through its history quite extensively after the first attacks. I don't agree about your characterisation of it. Unlike Private Eye, CH is politically engaged and committed. If anything, PE is CH for idiots.
What is the solution to the dispute in Birmingham? Does the class get changed to satisfy these parents? Are they allowed to opt out their children from the class? Are the classes continued with no choice of opt-out? Those would appear on the face of it to be the possible things that could happen. The same issues arise.
The level of humor is pretty puerile, though, come on.
Oh it's extremely puerile, but with a point to make that goes way beyond anything I've ever seen Private Eye do. And its anti-Islam stuff has to be seen in the context of its history of anticlericism in general. As I said on previous threads, I would think they would consider it intellectually dishonest to attack Christianity in the way they do and give Islam a free pass. Probably their greatest ire is reserved for the Front Nationale, of course, who detest (and are detested by) CH, something that is often forgotten in these debates.
We may differ here, but I don't think our points are that different. The liberal handwringing was born out of a fear founded on bad information - the fear of "oh, if I condemn this attack, am I giving ammo to the bigots on my side" (if bigots hate Islam (with results like in Christchurch last year), the answer isn't to say "Islam is the best thing since sliced bread" - because you're actually letting the bigots control your politics in that case).
Fair enough. Yes, our points are similar in that sense. I also think I'm in a minority on here in that I mostly really like CH's puerile humour. (It sometimes hits bum notes, but so does Viz on occasion, and I still like Viz.)
