I think one thing you're missing is that by spending so much time setting up the characters, they can then put them in situations that create natural and generally very bleak comedy. The Wire is most definitely a long way from being a comedy, and yet a lot of what I loved it for is how much is made me laugh. But that really is something that takes a long time to arrive, so it's something you'll unfortunately miss. I'm not saying it's what you should stick around for, but it was a major feature of the quality of the writing.
Take down your 'castle', twat told
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danny la rouge
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Ok, I'll give it that.
JimW
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Small breach in the rampart, commence assault or keep playing the catapults?
This insistence on some ideal notion of subtlety at all times, on a level of obscurity as a hallmark of quality, is a very modern shibboleth.
If you gonna come for the king, you better not miss.
danny la rouge
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It's not even "at all times", just knowing when something can take a broad brush and when it can't.
danny la rouge
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The game don't end when you get to the other side of the board. Like this is a board. See what I'm saying?
The Wire's point of view - that the practices of US law enforcement are a de facto war on poor black neighbourhoods - is at such odds with 99% of other police programmes (in which the police is a fundamentally good institution sometimes led astray by bad individuals) that it needs a blunt approach. What's the point in subtly insinuating that the US establishment might be a little bit racist and corrupt? Is that really the appropriate tone to strike?
danny la rouge
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A message don't have to be hard to fathom just because the writing is well crafted.
That's my point. You were moaning about wanting to be shown things, not told. Sometimes heavy-handedness is appropriate. The Wire is a polemic.
danny la rouge
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"Moaning" is a fairly loaded way to say I didn't think much of the writing.
What I'm saying is that you can have a clear message without resorting to cardboard cutout characters.
Had I known it was intended as a polemic, I'd have approached it differently. But it was sold to me as a drama.
However, I'm glad a programme with its world view had good coverage on fairly mainstream American TV. We can agree that that in itself is s good thing.
emanymton
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I've started Braking Bad recently. I like it but don't find it earth shattering, just something to pass the time. So it's not just you who fails to get blown away by these 'great' TV shows.
Your still wrong though.
DotCommunist
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breaking bad lost it for me when I realised circumstance had turned Walter into a right cunt, but then he lets that girl choke. Line. After that? pfft. couldn't really vibe on it anymore
danny la rouge
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I'm sure it isn't. I don't think I'm being controversial or anything. 99.9% of the time I don't post on Urban about TV programmes I've been impressed or unimpressed by. Only if there's a thread, or if I'm pressed by people to watch something (which latter circumstance I think has only been the Wire).
I am hoping to enjoy Breaking Bad though. I've always wanted to see it since I found out it was the dad from Malcolm in the Middle.
danny la rouge
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Oi, Dotty, there's a reason I avoid threads on programmes I haven't seen yet!
emanymton
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Thanks for the the spoiler
I've found him to be a cunt from the start, that's one of the reasons it doesn't quite work for me.
emanymton
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He's very different, I didn't realise it was him until I looked it up!
danny la rouge
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I recognised him from the picture but was shocked when I did, iyswim. I was taking it for granted just from the picture it'd be a very different performance.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
there was good, of a kind ( a rather 'my faahmily more important than everyone else' way) in walter, at the beggining. You can even accept what he's doing to society with his product as the act of a good man driven to bad deed by a fucked up capitalist society. But that bit, that was jus....you'd need to know the story to know why it marks his true turn to a dark pathThanks for the the spoiler
I've found him to be a cunt from the start, that's one of the reasons it doesn't quite work for me.
I thought that the last series was actually a bit rushed. Either that or it should have ended sooner, but the way it was done fell a bit between two stools.
sim667
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My view too, it should have just finished earlier.
I still think SOA has been my favourite series (well American Series) to date.
danny la rouge
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
hamlet with bike oil and nazi gangs
danny la rouge
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Good pitch!
DotCommunist
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the bloke who is the protagonist started life on Byker Grove lol
Maurice Picarda
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I think it's possible that Hamlet just edges SOA on script and on depth of characterisation. As would Neighbours.
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