Suella Braverman's time is up.

[teqniq]

Well at least she's got support from "liberal" Matthew Parris today I suppose.

What an arsehole.

 

[Cerv]

Home Office staff call for ‘unpalatable’ small boats deal to be scrapped

The PCS union has told the home secretary that the £63m France deal was ‘doomed to fail’, and that a safe passage visa was needed

www.theguardian.com

probably not news that the union don't like her.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Home Office staff call for ‘unpalatable’ small boats deal to be scrapped

The PCS union has told the home secretary that the £63m France deal was ‘doomed to fail’, and that a safe passage visa was needed

www.theguardian.com

probably not news that the union don't like her.

They have to take their ticket like everyone else

 

[Storm Fox]

Braverman has been challenged by a holocaust survivor about her language ("swarms" and "invasions") surrounding immigration and Braverman told the Holocaust survivor:

“I won’t apologise for the language that I have used to demonstrate the scale of the problem. I see my job as being honest with the British people and honest for the British people.
I’m not going to shy away from difficult truths nor am I going to conceal what is the reality that we are all watching.”

I mean FFS even in your hate filled mind you think you are right you don't tell a Holocaust survivor that. The woman is beneath contempt.

Suella Braverman tells Holocaust survivor she will not apologise for ‘invasion’ rhetoric

Joan Salter, 83, said language over migration was akin to what the Nazis used to justify murdering her family

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dystopiary]

Suella Braverman has told a Holocaust survivor that she will not apologise for using the word "invasion" to describe migration to the UK.

Joan Salter, 83, confronted Braverman during a meeting in her Hampshire constituency yesterday evening (Friday 13th Jan). Footage of the exchange has been released by the charity Freedom From Torture.

“I am a child survivor of the Holocaust.

“In 1943, I was forced to flee my birthplace in Belgium and went across war-torn Europe and dangerous seas until I finally was able to come to the UK in 1947.

“When I hear you using words against refugees like ‘swarms’ and an ‘invasion’, I am reminded of the language used to dehumanise and justify the murder of my family and millions of others.

“Why do you find the need to use that kind of language?”

Braverman went on about how wonderful it is that her parents had the opportunity, how great the British people are blah blah, and that's why "we must not shy away from saying there is a problem. There is a huge problem that we have right now when it comes to illegal migration, the scale of which we have not known before."

The Home Office is saying that the video has been edited and that this shorter version misrepresents the exchange. I can't imagine the non-edited version would show her in anything but a very bad light.

Suella Braverman tells Holocaust survivor she will not apologise for ‘invasion’ rhetoric

 

[Dystopiary]

Braverman has been challenged by a holocaust survivor about her language ("swarms" and "invasions") surrounding immigration and Braverman told the Holocaust survivor:


I mean FFS even in your hate filled mind you think you are right you don't tell a Holocaust survivor that. The woman is beneath contempt.

Suella Braverman tells Holocaust survivor she will not apologise for ‘invasion’ rhetoric

Joan Salter, 83, said language over migration was akin to what the Nazis used to justify murdering her family

www.theguardian.com

Snap. Yeah, it's disgusting, she's beyond contemptible, it's far-right shit for sure.

 

[not-bono-ever]

what a fucking charmer. Where do they get these people ?

 

[teqniq]

The home office have tweeted that due to edits of the video it is not representative of what Braverman actually said. They are asking for the video to be taken down. This is being refuted.

 

[Karl Masks]

Brave Suella. Standing up against the woke holocaust survivors. Here she is courageously threating to silence one of these, no doubt Corbynista racists. Freedom in action.

I have no qualms about labelling the Braverman creature a fascist and a racist. The video was clearly not decontextualised. She clearly says she doesn't apologise for deliberately fermenting hatred and lies

 

[Cloo]

Because people really need to be MORE inflamed about immigration by use of dehumanising language.

 

[Karl Masks]

Because people really need to be MORE inflamed about immigration by use of dehumanising language.

The tragic irony is that those most likely to be inflamed think the Tories don't go far enough, even with Braverman. THey wont' settle for anything less than armed interdiction. It's a dangerous vicious cycle

 

[eatmorecheese]

Braverman, the P.W. Botha of UK politics.

I can't word my contempt.

 

[Karl Masks]

When Joan's generation have gone, all we will have left are creatures like Braverman. Who will provide the authenticity of that countervailing voice? Braverman isn't just playing with fire, she's setting the country ablaze

 

[Pickman's model]

When Joan's generation have gone, all we will have left are creatures like Braverman. Who will provide the authenticity of that countervailing voice? Braverman isn't just playing with fire, she's setting the country ablaze

You don't half post some nonsense. It's really daft to say that once people born in the 30s and 40s are dead all we'll have left are tories in their 40s and 50s.

 

[Karl Masks]

You don't half post some nonsense. It's really daft to say that once people born in the 30s and 40s are dead all we'll have left are tories in their 40s and 50s.

Way to completely miss the point.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Because people really need to be MORE inflamed about immigration by use of dehumanising language.

It'll just go round and round forever in a self-reinforcing, ever-escalating loop. There's no limiting feedback from the real world, no amount of actually mistreating actual people will appease the braying crowds, because the whole thing is based on insulating people from real information.

 

[existentialist]

It'll just go round and round forever in a self-reinforcing, ever-escalating loop. There's no limiting feedback from the real world, no amount of actually mistreating actual people will appease the braying crowds, because the whole thing is based on insulating people from real information.

I'm a bit more optimistic than you - I think that spiral will become a death spiral, as their self-reinforcing narrative becomes further and further detached from reality, until a sufficient proportion of the population notice that they've jumped the shark.

But a lot of harm is being done along the way, and I do fear that it will have to go a LOT further before that point gets reached, given the apparent gullibility of so many people. It's horrible, but I hope it will end.

 

[Pickman's model]

Way to completely miss the point.

The point is you talk hyperbollocks

 

[Karl Masks]

Braverman's response is to do exactly that which Joan calls her out on. She isn't even asked to apologise, that's the tragedy. Though in a civilised society that ought to happen and go without saying.

However, though it won't count for much, this puts Braverman on notice. As if we don't already, we see her now. There's no excuse for her continuing to use such inflammatory language; something, iirc, Patel was called out on by the judiciary

 

[Pickman's model]

Braverman's response is to do exactly that which Joan calls her out on. She isn't even asked to apologise, that's the tragedy. Though in a civilised society that ought to happen and go without saying.

However, though it won't count for much, this puts Braverman on notice. As if we don't already, we see her now. There's no excuse for her continuing to use such inflammatory language; something, iirc, Patel was called out on by the judiciary

Yeh but in our (uncivilised?) society calling people out makes no difference to their behaviour, like when people on a demo chant shame on you at the police, like people without shame could be made to feel embarrassed

 

[Karl Masks]

What. The. Cunting. Jesus. Fuck?

UK minister admits 200 asylum-seeking children have gone missing

Simon Murray says one girl and at least 13 under-16s among those missing after being placed in hotels run by Home Office

www.theguardian.com

In any other universe this would be a career ending scandal. In modern britain it's success and don't you dare mention this because that's just playing politics and how very dare you.

 

[eatmorecheese]

What. The. Cunting. Jesus. Fuck?

UK minister admits 200 asylum-seeking children have gone missing

Simon Murray says one girl and at least 13 under-16s among those missing after being placed in hotels run by Home Office

www.theguardian.com

In any other universe this would be a career ending scandal. In modern britain it's success and don't you dare mention this because that's just playing politics and how very dare you.

This, for me, is one of the biggest political scandals of the last few years, and will most likely get lost in the diahhroea-sluice of bin juice that makes up the Tory administations recently.

As a safeguarding failure goes, this is a biggy. The Home Secretary allowed kids as young as eight years old to be placed in some hotel where anyone could pick them up. Have Local Authorities gone along with this? I'd love to know how the civil service (and legal services?) advised the Home Office about dispersing these children in some form of ad hoc way with no protection. Most of them already traumatised from what they left behind and the horrific journey.

Safeguarding failures on both the national and local level.

What a fucking disgrace.

 

[Karl Masks]

This, for me, is one of the biggest political scandals of the last few years, and will most likely get lost in the diahhroea-sluice of bin juice that makes up the Tory administations recently.

As a safeguarding failure goes, this is a biggy. The Home Secretary allowed kids as young as eight years old to be placed in some hotel where anyone could pick them up. Have Local Authorities gone along with this? I'd love to know how the civil service (and legal services?) advised the Home Office about dispersing these children in some form of ad hoc way with no protection. Most of them already traumatised from what they left behind and the horrific journey.

Safeguarding failures on both the national and local level.

What a fucking disgrace.

It isn't even headline news. No one will care, they'd rather rant about Meghan or moan about foodbank users or blame Mick Lynch or something

 

[eatmorecheese]

It isn't even headline news. No one will care, they'd rather rant about Meghan or moan about foodbank users or blame Mick Lynch or something

This is the equivalent of several year groups of a school being kidnapped by traffickers in one hit. If this had been the children of UK citizens can you imagine the reaction?

 

[Humberto]

This is the equivalent of several year groups of a school being kidnapped by traffickers in one hit. If this had been the children of UK citizens can you imagine the reaction?

Definitely. Everything's fucking broken and falling apart and they don't give a fuck. No shame at all.

 

[Humberto]

Just to be swept under the carpet?

 

[Pickman's model]

It isn't even headline news. No one will care, they'd rather rant about Meghan or moan about foodbank users or blame Mick Lynch or something

3rd story on the guardian website

How much more headline do you want it?

 

[Humberto]

Something on the scale of Grenfell Tower fire perhaps.

 

[Pickman's model]

Something on the scale of Grenfell Tower fire perhaps.

I'm not entirely sure how you mean that to come across

 

[mx wcfc]

3rd story on the guardian website
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How much more headline do you want it?

Not on the Beeb's front page though.

It's almost as if the Zahari story is being allowed to drag on as a smokescreen...