Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Personally that Evra called him "sudaca" and Suarez let it slide, even though Evra reported him, seems a little implausible. It's not like he's some great principled statesman, is it?
Suarez gets 8 match ban
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You've completely discounted the possibility that the ruling may have been unfair then?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Oh, I don't know. There seem to be a lot of ifs and buts in this. I'd want to know what actually happened before commenting further. I can well believe that Suarez had no desire to make a complaint though.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Yes.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
yeah I know we just don't know, but that's just my personal view. Just that the whole t-shirt response to me doesn't say "I'm too dignified to get into a he said, she said, slanging match" to me.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
"I know, here is something that would in all likelyhood get me out of a lengthy ban and which would get a player from our most hated rivals banned in my place. On second thoughts, I refuse to use such dishonest tactics despite my own predeliction for diving, biting people and being the most infamous cheat at the last World Cup. Lets just tell a few friendly journalists about it instead, and put on these lovely t-shirts."
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Seems reasonable to me.
Perhaps you have a point... I don't care about the handball incident, though. He got his team through, didn't he?
Deareg
Well-Known Member
How come you have never asked that question to those who have discounted the possibility of him being guilty?
Because it would be pretty obvious that they think the ruling's unfair.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Its a pity if one player insulted another player and the insulted player gave it back in kind and then got reported by the original aggressor, not privy to what happened in this case but if there is one thing in general terms that is very poor form it is somebody that gives it but cant take it whether it be teasing, jokes or abuse.
Also in this case the accuser has a history of accusing others [rightly or wrongly ?], some groups of people culturally are used to taking it when perhaps other groups are not so used to taking it, some groups for example are often the butt of stand up comedians jokes and they generally take it and laugh at themselves yet if a stand up comedian was to make a joke about another group perhaps they wouldnt take it so well.
Also in this case the accuser has a history of accusing others [rightly or wrongly ?], some groups of people culturally are used to taking it when perhaps other groups are not so used to taking it, some groups for example are often the butt of stand up comedians jokes and they generally take it and laugh at themselves yet if a stand up comedian was to make a joke about another group perhaps they wouldnt take it so well.
I grew up there.
Saying a racist remark and being a racist are two totally and utterly different things, i can remember a football manager that did loads for ethnic minority players in the 70s yet made remarks that cost him his job as a pundit years later, both are totally seperate and should be treated as such, one is naughty and one is vile, they are miles apart yet this is seldom recognised.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
The people have spoken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5PA6lah_kY&feature=player_embedded
With thanks to Revlon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5PA6lah_kY&feature=player_embedded
With thanks to Revlon.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Well done. Surprising that during all that time you never noticed that different parts of the continent are strikingly different
John Barnes defends Suarez http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-16309990
"Former Liverpool and England footballer John Barnes has attacked a "witch hunt" against Luis Suarez after he was banned for racially abusing another player.
The Liverpool striker was banned by the FA for eight games for using "insulting words" in reference to Manchester United defender Patrice Evra's colour.
Barnes defended Suarez, saying: "As much as we will say ignorance is no excuse, ignorance is an excuse."
He said that "cultural differences have to be taken into consideration".
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"Twenty years ago in England, the same people in England now condemning him were ignorant as to what racism is. Why don't they condemn themselves?"
Too fucking right.
"Former Liverpool and England footballer John Barnes has attacked a "witch hunt" against Luis Suarez after he was banned for racially abusing another player.
The Liverpool striker was banned by the FA for eight games for using "insulting words" in reference to Manchester United defender Patrice Evra's colour.
Barnes defended Suarez, saying: "As much as we will say ignorance is no excuse, ignorance is an excuse."
He said that "cultural differences have to be taken into consideration".
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"Twenty years ago in England, the same people in England now condemning him were ignorant as to what racism is. Why don't they condemn themselves?"
Too fucking right.
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
He is talking bollocks, though. The "cultural differences" argument is absurd (after all, they were clearly rowing at the time, and would anyone excuse what goes on when black players go to parts of Eastern Europe and get abused because of "cultural differences"?), and what makes it worse is that they have publically accused Evra of lying (and called for him to face charges if the case against Suarez was disproved, dont forget), even though their own argument accepts that Suarez said something suspiciously close to what Evra implied was said right after the match.
Bunch of utter and fucking load of twats.......
I imagine every Football Club has these kind of neanderthal idiots.
I deplore racism no matter what the circumstances.
Suarez has admitted that he called Evera negrito, I doubt he would have used that word he really meant it in the same way the word nigger is used here in the UK/Europe/USA.
Foolish, yes. Ignorant, yes. A racist, I don't believe it.
It will be very interesting to see what happens to John Terry....
He comes from a culture where it's okay to use that term though, maybe they'e a bunch of racists in Uruguay according to the British media.
Same word found on a chocolate bar.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And who was the bar rowing with exactly?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
For the umpteenth time... if u call someone negrito in the context of an argument it is offensive in Uruguay and it is racist.He comes from a culture where it's okay to use that term though, maybe they'e a bunch of racists in Uruguay according to the British media.
Same word found on a chocolate bar.
If you're not sure, try and find a black Uruguayan and tell him "andate a cagar, negrito" and see if he thinks you're racist or not. Probably after he's Finished "partiendote la cara"
Fuck sake!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
For the umpteenth time... if u call someone negrito in the context of an argument it is offensive in Uruguay and it is racist.
If you're not sure, try and find a black Uruguayan and tell him "andate a cagar, negrito" and see if he thinks you're racist or not. Probably after he's Finished "partiendo te la cara"
Fuck sake!
Good luck getting any of them to acknowledge that though, they are after all in full on uberkopite mode now and are immune to all logic, facts, evidence and indeed reality. Lets just hope they come out of it before the March for Luis happens.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
He comes from a culture where it's okay to use that term though, maybe they'e a bunch of racists in Uruguay according to the British media.
Same word found on a chocolate bar.
Oh look, there's a south American version of this on there too
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Oh look, there's a south American version of this on there too
Chocolate drops called little blackies with pictures of golliwogs on them. Maybe this Uruguayan cultural defence isn't going to help Suarez in the long run.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I near spat out my pint when I realised what the t shirts were, deluded muppets to a man.
if you're liverpool's pr team would you not be aiming to express regret about the incident and say that Suarez now understands the issue, apologises whilst restating that he is not racist and would never wish to give such an impression...
or you could continue to call Evra a liar and that he's playing the race card and then all wear t shirts in solidarity with poor misunderstood Suarez...
mentalists.
if you're liverpool's pr team would you not be aiming to express regret about the incident and say that Suarez now understands the issue, apologises whilst restating that he is not racist and would never wish to give such an impression...
or you could continue to call Evra a liar and that he's playing the race card and then all wear t shirts in solidarity with poor misunderstood Suarez...
mentalists.
Oh stop ya bleating
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