Suarez gets 8 match ban

[TruXta]

Fuck you cunt.

You already said that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

if his grandfather was/is black, then suarez is mixed race too. it doesn't peter out two generations down.

Perhaps. But manny-p has a point - in Latin America, racism and racial categories are different from here. There is something of a graduation from black to white, and there are racist attitudes in many parts of LA that effectively boil down to 'the whiter you are, the higher up the ladder you are'.

 

[manny-p]

I know a fella who was brought to court for enforcing a colour bar at a club he worked the door of and was found not guilty because he used his racial background as evidence in court and was found not guilty.

Yeah I can believe that. Fucking lawyers.

 

[Deareg]

Perhaps. But manny-p has a point - in Latin America, racism and racial categories are different from here. There is something of a graduation from black to white, and there are racist attitudes in many parts of LA that effectively boil down to 'the whiter you are, the higher up the ladder you are'.

I think it was more the sweeping generalisation that he made to begin with.

 

[manny-p]

Perhaps. But manny-p has a point - in Latin America, racism and racial categories are different from here. There is something of a graduation from black to white, and there are racist attitudes in many parts of LA that effectively boil down to 'the whiter you are, the higher up the ladder you are'.

Yeah but apparently we are not allowed to bring in any personal knowledge to this thread. Unless its an academic journal-its not fact!

 

[ignatious]

Wrongly as now shown definitively.

What were these other insulting words then, of which 'negrito' was a part?

 

[manny-p]

I think it was more the sweeping generalisation that he made to begin with.

I clarified what I had said and left the charge to Colombia and Venezuela. Although I have no doubt the practise/culture is widespread throughout the whole of latin america. Baggage from the conquistadors.

 

[Deareg]

Yeah but apparently we are not allowed to bring in any personal knowledge to this thread. Unless its an academic journal-its not fact!

No Manny, you were passing opinion off as fact and were pulled for it.

 

[Deareg]

I clarified what I had said and left the charge to Colombia and Venezuela. Although I have no doubt the practise/culture is widespread throughout the whole of latin america. Baggage from the conquistadors.

But it was your initial statement that started the little spat, don't take it to heart it happens all the time on here.

 

[manny-p]

No Manny, you were passing opinion off as fact and were pulled for it.

Edit- fair enough

 

[sleaterkinney]

Their conduits have been given the story though.

I don't think they have. There have been leaks from the clubs but not anything from the FA.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't think they have. There have been leaks from the clubs but not anything from the FA.

So what is the other story? The
hidden one

 

[sleaterkinney]

So what is the other story? The
hidden one

I don't think anyone knows at the moment. Do you?

 

[Lo Siento.]

Its true.

really? My not racist latino friends must all be imaginary then! Twat.

 

[Lo Siento.]

incidentally, if Suarez said he said "negrito" and it was during an argument, in Uruguay it'd still be considered racist, according to the Uruguayan I asked. So if that's his defence, it's horseshit.

 

[Gingerman]

http://www.lfconline.com/feat/ed11/...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[manny-p]

really? My not racist latino friends must all be imaginary then! Twat.

I didn't say they were all racist did I! FFS!

 

[Lo Siento.]

I didn't say they were all racist did I! FFS!

You saying that Latin American culture was extremely racist was a pretty blanket statement!

 

[manny-p]

You saying that Latin American culture was extremely racist was a pretty blanket statement!

I clarified what I said, its all in this thread- not that your interested. Lo siento if you think it was a blanket statement, although there is definetly a caste system in operation in many parts of Latin America(in my opinion).

 

[strung out]

I don't know why Dalglish and the players are wearing t-shirts with Suarez 7 on them, it's 8 games he's been banned for, stupid Liverpool twats.

 

[Lo Siento.]

I clarified what I said, its all in this thread- not that your interested. Lo siento if you think it was a blanket statement, although there is definetly a caste system in operation in many parts of Latin America(in my opinion).

What clarification, limiting it to only the countries you've been to?

As to the rest of it, I'd say reducing the state of race relations across a whole continent to a concept which isn't even really applicable in these societies isn't very helpful, to say the least.

I mean what do you even mean by "a caste system"?

 

[Lo Siento.]

I don't know why Dalglish and the players are wearing t-shirts with Suarez 7 on them, it's 8 games he's been banned for, stupid Liverpool twats.

seriously, they're doing that? Do they think he's died or something? Embarrassing.

 

[thriller]

seriously, they're doing that? Do they think he's died or something? Embarrassing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295992.stm

 

[Deareg]

seriously, they're doing that? Do they think he's died or something? Embarrassing.

What was left of his reputation probably has.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What clarification, limiting it to only the countries you've been to?

As to the rest of it, I'd say reducing the state of race relations across a whole continent to a concept which isn't even really applicable in these societies isn't very helpful, to say the least.

I mean what do you even mean by "a caste system"?

If one is in, say, Mexico or Brazil or Peru, knowing nothing of those countries, and turns on the television after wandering the streets for a time, one could be forgiven for thinking that there is some kind of caste system in operation. There isn't, not formally, but informally, the result of these countries' history is streets filled with people of many colours and television programmes filled with people of overwhelmingly just one colour. Race and social and economic class are very obviously linked in most parts of Latin America. Somewhere like Uruguay, this will be less obvious simply because there are far fewer people of African or indigenous descent.

manny-p may have expressed themselves a little clumsily, but I think other posters are dismissing what they say a bit too much.

 

[Lo Siento.]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16295992.stm

fucking hell, even he's wearing it!

 

[Lo Siento.]

If one is in, say, Mexico or Brazil or Peru, knowing nothing of those countries, and turns on the television after wandering the streets for a time, one could be forgiven for thinking that there is some kind of caste system in operation. There isn't, not formally, but informally, the result of these countries' history is streets filled with people of many colours and television programmes filled with people of overwhelmingly just one colour. Race and social and economic class are very obviously linked in most parts of Latin America. Somewhere like Uruguay, this will be less obvious simply because there are far fewer people of African or indigenous descent.

manny-p may have expressed themselves a little clumsily, but I think other posters are dismissing what they say a bit too much.

You could say the exact same thing about British society, the only exception being that public language is slightly more policed. And just like the UK, none of the countries in Latin America really qualify as "caste societies", they aren't marked by official or even semi-official ethnic designations which impose specific restrictions and particular roles to different categories of people.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't agree. Class isn't very obviously linked to race in the UK or other countries where minority racial groups are the product of voluntary immigration rather than a legacy of conquest or slavery. Really, the contrast between the media and the average population in many parts of Latin America is stark and startling, and it is revealing of deeper social realities.

 

[Lo Siento.]

I don't agree. Class isn't very obviously linked to race in the UK or other countries where minority racial groups are the product of voluntary immigration rather than a legacy of conquest or slavery. Really, the contrast between the media and the average population in many parts of Latin America is stark and startling, and it is revealing of deeper social realities.

Are you seriously going to argue this? I could quote statistic after statistic on income, education, social mobility, health, whatever indicator you like, confirming that class is very obviously linked to race in the UK. In 2009, one student of afro-caribbean descent was accepted at Oxford, fucking ONE! You're seriously telling me that class, race and social opportunity aren't deeply intertwined in the UK?

 

[xes]

He's getting some chants going his way at the Wigan Liverpool game "racist, racist, racist, racist"