Split within the IWW?
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cesare
shady's dreams ♥
You won't suddenly find yourself in the new union, then. Presumably.
The Glasgow branch is mostly AFed afaik so you're much more likely to be joining the purer but never successfully organised much union as opposed to the politically dodgy but at least has a win and workplace branches union.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Why the fuck does it always come down to choices like this?
I know, the Glasgow branch hosts the membership secretary for the IWW-BIRA faction as opposed to the IWGB faction.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Exactly. Applying to the IWW using the IWW system, so hopefully (if that's what you want) you'll become an IWW member.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
It's the only address given, so prospective members hardly have any choice.
What a great start this is turning out to be.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
There are no details of any other system.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I wouldn't really expect there to be.
It's the only address given, so prospective members hardly have any choice.
What a great start this is turning out to be.
what in your view are the benefits of joining either "One Big Union"?
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
They aren't Unison.
Yes if the cleaners branch had collectively made the decision to break for independence I think it would have been the correct one, the crusties and activists would have only held them back.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Neither are lots of social clubs and political discussion/argument societies...
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
As it is the IWGB's new leaders will now spend their energy in a faction fight, propping up their new organisation's legitimacy, etc. Like a Roman prefect taking the legions from Britain for a shot at the purple.
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
I'm not joining a social club or discussion group.
that's what you think, good luck with it!
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I suspect that their politics are being rather "oversimplified" here. Ford, if I remember correctly, is ex-AWL because he left as the bag carrier of a certain D. Broder when the Commune was being set up. So he's probably not a Trotskyist in any sense that other Trotskyists would recognise.
(Is he also the guy who occasionally promotes stuff linked to the Ukrainian multiple-personality fraudsters, or am I getting him confused with someone else?)
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
What was the Commune? One of those post-left red party things? Or more like a crypto-left Counterfire thing?
My understanding is that he has returned to the AWL I could be wrong there.
http://thecommune.co.uk/
About 12 trots/ex-trots and anarchists/activist/non aligned socialists/libertarian socialist types, one or two nice people though quite a few of the memebrs have left after falling out with Broder.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
Well I'd been hopeful that IWW would actually grow towards a proper union, and that the Cleaners branch would be the start of real action and wins for our members in more than just representation. With the public sector unions being so lame, there's the chance for a more militant union, but getting enough members in any government body to force recognition would be difficult.
Nonetheless I was pleased to hear onket had joined because Unison were shit, and would love to have seen/heard of more of that happening. This split is only going to be bad
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
They are still about. Basically a small bunch of assorted ex-Trotskyists who read some Brinton and are easily impressed along with a few Anarchists disgruntled by their own milieu. Mostly a little discussion circle as far as I can tell from afar.
http://thecommune.co.uk/
(Beaten to it!)
BigTom
Well-Known Member
and also IWW do represent people, and this week I did my first thing as a rep and kept someone 8 days holiday that HR tried to say he should be using instead of occupational sick pay. That's not a discussion and social club.
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