discokermit
Well-Known Member
at least they didn't take the tiger with them,
Special Farces: SAS Humiliated In Libyan Operation
- Thread starter Bakunin
- Start date
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Ming was the only person in the chamber that didn't seem to get it.
Everyone else seemed to accept the idea that 'something was going on' that Hague wasn't about to spill the beans on on national tv, and pretty much accepted it.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If state-controlled and/or military planes have been landing in Libya without permission, that's a violation of sovereignty, yes, and illegal under international law. The invasion of Grenada was also to "protect our nationals": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
"I spy strangers".
"I spy strangers".
Dave Mullen
Bolt Ya Radge!
What mistake?
Crack troops? I think they've been smoking too much crack more like. LOL
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Was SBS not SAS and they could easily have blasted their way free, but that wasn't what they were there for.
Apart from the Iranian embassy siege when they were caught on camera, has anyone ever heard of the government talking about a special forces mission whilst it is still ongoing? Me neither, bet yer bollocks what really was going on was very different to what's been reported.
I'm no fan of the military, but if I were on a train or plane that's been hijacked, these are the guys I'd want coming to my rescue. For all those quick to sneer at them, you can have the French come to your rescue. I'll send flowers to your funeral.
Apart from the Iranian embassy siege when they were caught on camera, has anyone ever heard of the government talking about a special forces mission whilst it is still ongoing? Me neither, bet yer bollocks what really was going on was very different to what's been reported.
I'm no fan of the military, but if I were on a train or plane that's been hijacked, these are the guys I'd want coming to my rescue. For all those quick to sneer at them, you can have the French come to your rescue. I'll send flowers to your funeral.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Ungrateful
Tired and Weary
Why is it that when a policy goes wrong, the Minister in charge has no hesitationin blaming the civil servants or workers charged with implementing their brilliant strategy, and will only admit culpability under extreme duress (this was after all what the famous Paxman/Howard confrontation was initially about). But when a military operation goes belly up, the defence minister takes full responsibility immediately and the 'special' (as in 'special needs' perhaps) forces get off scot free. It seems that UK ministers aren't allowed to criticise these public employees.
Even when British forces were caught in iranian waters and began cracking when their Ipods were brutally placed in the teacher's desk, there was no official sanction. Yet when a social worker, teacher or council worker screws up Ministers are first to condemn them.....
Even when British forces were caught in iranian waters and began cracking when their Ipods were brutally placed in the teacher's desk, there was no official sanction. Yet when a social worker, teacher or council worker screws up Ministers are first to condemn them.....
Maybe because military operations are inherently more risky and uncertain than most other things?
Giles..
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Ungrateful
Tired and Weary
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Why is it so popular to sneer at the French?
because as Lord Nelson said you must hate the french like you hate the Devil
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
War Nerd was mocking the fashionable franco-hatred in americans who forget where thier past lies and who their friends were.
We english have a long and glorious tradition of france hating. Scots do not (auld alliance). If the yanks want to hate on france they should send the statue back.
We english have a long and glorious tradition of france hating. Scots do not (auld alliance). If the yanks want to hate on france they should send the statue back.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
We must sneer at the French. It's in the rules.
I wasn't sneering though, French special forces have a policy of just shooting fuck out of everyone in a hostage situation. Does kind of make the bad guys think twice about messing with them. Just rather unfortunate if you're one of the hostages.
I wasn't sneering though, French special forces have a policy of just shooting fuck out of everyone in a hostage situation. Does kind of make the bad guys think twice about messing with them. Just rather unfortunate if you're one of the hostages.
Of course you wouldn't expect the major European powers to respect international law when it comes to smaller states in crisis. Just because they're our boys, gawd love 'em, stick it up your junta, it doesn't make it any more legal even if it makes it more palatable to you. For the sake of short term gain, Hague (and others) has again undermined a principle that could work to protect millions of people: that unilateral aggression should not take place and should be sanctioned by the UN through the Security Council. Given that the UK is involved in that aggression, it will veto any action in the UN SC and the UN SC will become (or, more likely, remain) an ineffective body for preventing and reversing aggression, except when it's a naughty person that "we" don't like that does it.
The Westminster system is supposed to run on the principle of Ministerial Responsibility where ministers and not civil servants take responsibility for the successes and failures of their department. Can't remember when the last time a minister resigned for a fuckup that wasn't his own, though. Carrington after Falklands Invasion?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
jwh
once a country has descended int civil war asking permission of a goverment that no longer controls territory is academic.
The idea that tryants have some sort of international status worthrespecting sticks in my gut.
social workers and teachers don't command snipers ( although I know a few social workers who belive snipers have a role in social work if only to cull management)
once a country has descended int civil war asking permission of a goverment that no longer controls territory is academic.
The idea that tryants have some sort of international status worthrespecting sticks in my gut.
social workers and teachers don't command snipers
( although I know a few social workers who belive snipers have a role in social work if only to cull management)
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
@JWH
What (in this case) is the "unilateral aggression" that has taken place? Firstly there are several states involved evacuating their nationals and secondly although the unit was armed (which is a sensible move in a country that's going through a civil conflict) no use was made of those weapons (which is also sensible considering the people who were holding them were on the side of the people who they were there to meet).
What would you think of a UN sanctioned no-fly zone?
What would you think of Ghaddafi's aircraft being brought down by US, UK or other aircraft under such a mandate?
What (in this case) is the "unilateral aggression" that has taken place? Firstly there are several states involved evacuating their nationals and secondly although the unit was armed (which is a sensible move in a country that's going through a civil conflict) no use was made of those weapons (which is also sensible considering the people who were holding them were on the side of the people who they were there to meet).
What would you think of a UN sanctioned no-fly zone?
What would you think of Ghaddafi's aircraft being brought down by US, UK or other aircraft under such a mandate?
Similar threads
