Met being put in special measures

[A380]

We know which side of the picket line they’re on.

In 1919 they were the picket line. And the state sent warships…

 

[Magnus McGinty]

In 1919 they were the picket line. And the state sent warships…

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Statute of limitations.

 

[A380]

Statute of limitations.

Sounds a bit American to me…

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Sounds a bit American to me…

You’re looking a bit far back for your examples of doing good.

 

[A380]

You’re looking a bit far back for your examples of doing good.

Who said it was doing good?

 

[Cat Fan]

Even if we had a national police force there would still be the national police force AND City of London police, thanks to the Corporation.

TBF Their fraud squad (or whatever it is called this week) is effectively the national fraud squad (and works very closely with the SFO) and probably the only one with the capability and capacity to deal with some of the complex international stuff

Otherwise they just stand about really. On a weekday there are getting on for half a million people in the city. At night it goes down to less than 10,000, basically the Barbican and one medium sized social housing estate.

They came to my office building once to do a raid. The fraud guys that is.

 

[A380]

They came to my office building once to do a raid. The fraud guys that is.

Was it quite a slow raid?

 

[Cat Fan]

Was it quite a slow raid?

One of the few times I've ever heard of anyone being arrested for a white collar crime actually. It was in the news a bit.

Heron Tower police raid: The colourful world of Chelsea FC’s forex partner CWM FX - CityAM

Only one company in the Heron Tower has alluded to this week’s police raid. We ask who they are… Three days ago police raided offices in the Heron Tower, hauling 13 City workers out of the building and away for questioning. The event has sent shockwaves through the Square Mile; but aside from...

www.cityam.com

 

[Pickman's model]

Statute of limitations.

Here we have a statute of imitations

 

[A380]

One of the few times I've ever heard of anyone being arrested for a white collar crime actually. It was in the news a bit.

Heron Tower police raid: The colourful world of Chelsea FC’s forex partner CWM FX - CityAM

Only one company in the Heron Tower has alluded to this week’s police raid. We ask who they are… Three days ago police raided offices in the Heron Tower, hauling 13 City workers out of the building and away for questioning. The event has sent shockwaves through the Square Mile; but aside from...

www.cityam.com

Locking people up for white collar crime is incredibly rare. Its one of the, very very, few areas where the 'mericans do it better.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Also generally policing has roles in areas - I'm thinking particularly mental health, but dealing with drug misuse, etc - where properly resourced non police services should be involved and policing is at best inappropriate, at worst actively harmful.

to be fair, it isn't really the police's fault (at corporate or copper on the ground level) that they end up having to respond when mental health services are non-existent, or have refused someone help on the basis it's not a crisis yet.

Fund mental health services properly (etc)

^ that

Local policing delivered at no larger than borough / unitary authority level with an elected PCC or equivalent for each and every local force.

dunno really. we've had elected PCC's outside london for a few years now and not sure they have made the slightest bit of difference apart from providing well paid jobs for a few third rate ex local council candidates elected mainly on party lines.

i'm not sure what the answer is. policing should be accountable, but there's a line between accountable and it being too politically led. would we want a UKIP (or whatever the leading gammon party is this week) candidate pitching for the post on a line of dog-whistles about cracking down on 'muggers' and cannabis users and not pursuing middle class motorists for driving offences?

there's certainly room for more accountability and more democratic input at more local levels, but i'm not keen on the idea of policing / criminal justice being open to populist politicians.

and not sure that police at london borough level would be effective - was policing better / less corrupt when it was a patchwork of borough / county forces outside london until the changes in the late 60s or whenever it was

I always thought that it's weird that the City of London police force exists for such a tiny area, then the Met has such a big area.

Even if we had a national police force there would still be the national police force AND City of London police, thanks to the Corporation.

^ that

there's a lot of ancient elements of local government that were abolished ages ago everywhere else, the CoL is pretty much immune to reform.

 

[Ming]

Locking people up for white collar crime is incredibly rare. Its one of the, very very, few areas where the 'mericans do it better.

Yep. The City of London is the Wild West of finance unfortunately.

 

[Pickman's model]

Locking people up for white collar crime is incredibly rare. Its one of the, very very, few areas where the 'mericans do it better.

Don't think maxwell would have got 20 years in this country

 

[likesfish]

Police know they are shit at mental health unfortunatly nobody else is coming .

 

[Artaxerxes]

PCC role is basically just a crony position to bump people into who want a free lunch but can't be trusted with an MP or councillor role. All of them elected on a platform of "hang the young"

Police know they are shit at mental health unfortunatly nobody else is coming .

Aye. We've a very unwell person in our block and someone got the police out because they were going apeshit. Nothing happened.

 

[A380]

Police know they are shit at mental health unfortunatly nobody else is coming .

This basically sums up the position across most of the UK just now.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Police know they are shit at mental health unfortunatly nobody else is coming .

Be nice then if they opted not to clobber the shit out of people who protest against the austerity agenda that has created this situation.

 

[likesfish]

tbf they were shit at mental health and were thev first responders long before austerity rocked up

 

[A380]

tbf they were shit at mental health and were thev first responders long before austerity rocked up

You probably couldn’t design a worse place for someone suffering a mental ill health crisis than a busy police custody suite if you tried. And yet even in the ‘good times’ that was the only place available. Because most of society and many communities, rich to poor, don’t really give a fuck.

 

[platinumsage]

They're always getting the forecast wrong for here, especially the rain or lack thereof. I'm better off asking the cows tbh.

 

[A380]

They're always getting the forecast wrong for here, especially the rain or lack thereof. I'm better off asking the cows tbh.

They have some great pictures and throw a good ball for the famous though...

 

[Elpenor]

Mark Rowley announced as new Met police commissioner

Met Police commissioner: Sir Mark Rowley named as force's new leader

Knighted in 2018 for his counter-terrorism work, he is returning to policing from the private sector.

www.bbc.co.uk

I imagine a “… time is up” thread will be along shortly

 

[DaveCinzano]

Otherwise they just stand about really.

They've got no bottle either.

Their riot squad stormed in to the foyer of the building where the inquest into the killing of Ian Tomlinson was being held, ready to crack some skulls at the end of the day killer cop Simon Harwood was giving evidence (there wasn't a demo there or any disorder, but quite a few activists were in attendance).

Until I loudly pointed out that the biggest one of them had been present at the killing, standing a few yards from Harwood, and yet hadn't submitted a witness statement. He sheepishly covered up his face before I could snap him, and they all skulked off.

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(For clarification that pic is from when he was at the incident where Ian Tomlinson was killed, not the inquest)

 

[equationgirl]

DaveCinzano it's like they thought you wouldn't notice

 

[DaveCinzano]

DaveCinzano it's like they thought you wouldn't notice

Intelligence-led policing

 

[fucthest8]

They've got no bottle either.

Their riot squad stormed in to the foyer of the building where the inquest into the killing of Ian Tomlinson was being held, ready to crack some skulls at the end of the day killer cop Simon Harwood was giving evidence (there wasn't a demo there or any disorder, but quite a few activists were in attendance).

Until I loudly pointed out that the biggest one of them had been present at the killing, standing a few yards from Harwood, and yet hadn't submitted a witness statement. He sheepishly covered up his face before I could snap him, and they all skulked off.

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I don't want this to seem trite, but fucking good work. Amazing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Even if we had a national police force there would still be the national police force AND City of London police, thanks to the Corporation.

TBF Their fraud squad (or whatever it is called this week) is effectively the national fraud squad (and works very closely with the SFO) and is probably the only one with the capability and capacity to deal with some of the complex international stuff

Otherwise they just stand about really. On a weekday there are getting on for half a million people in the city. At night it goes down to less than 10,000, basically the Barbican and one medium sized social housing estate.

Don't think there's so many people in the city as there used to be

 

[trashpony]

Just updating this thread with reporting from a trial of Met officers for sending offensive text messages:

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[ElizabethofYork]

Revolting vile cunts.

 

[cesare]

And then they wonder why so many people think ACAB