Soldier's mother Cindy Sheehan in Bush protest
- Thread starter Bernie Gunther
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Bush's Crawford PR fiasco deepens by the day - now he drives straight past her protest to some swanky fundrasing event. (It's a working vacation, remember).
Of course we all know why his handlers won't let him anywhere near Mrs Sheehan, don't we? She has a brain and a tongue, and can actually use them simultaneously. Mr Bush cannot compete with such a challenge without proper coaching and medication. The handlers evidently don't think it's worth the effort, and moreover, how the hell can George blow off steam if he has to sober up and go talk to whingeing little folk all the time?
I get the feeling that they have miscalculated badly with the predictable deployment of the RW slime campaign against a grieving military mother, though. But what else can they do? That't their only tactic (apart from a few notable others, such as election fraud, starting stupid wars etc)
Of course we all know why his handlers won't let him anywhere near Mrs Sheehan, don't we? She has a brain and a tongue, and can actually use them simultaneously. Mr Bush cannot compete with such a challenge without proper coaching and medication. The handlers evidently don't think it's worth the effort, and moreover, how the hell can George blow off steam if he has to sober up and go talk to whingeing little folk all the time?
I get the feeling that they have miscalculated badly with the predictable deployment of the RW slime campaign against a grieving military mother, though. But what else can they do? That't their only tactic (apart from a few notable others, such as election fraud, starting stupid wars etc)
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
mears said:
If the cap fits.......
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
mears said:
Oh do shut up Mears. You couldn't give a shit about Iraq or the Iraqis until Bush and the neo-cons told you to. Your only question about what was going to happen was, "How high Mr President?"
Talk about sucking Satan's pecker.......
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
pbman said:No i'd rather just laugh at you.
When you fuigure it out, it will be twice as funny.
Oh lookey see, its the pseudo-Christian war mongerer.
So tell us, what would Jesus do? Would he have killed up to and possibly over 100,000 Iraqis?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
pbman said:
Dunno, how about you tell us few lies and post up some vitriolic disinformation from your usual Mellon Scaife sources?
pbman said:Bush met her allready.
But then she was part of a group of 16 families, all freshly bereaved, in shock, and in no state to discuss the issues or inclination to do so. Now she has had time to reflect, and as the truth about Bush's folly in Iraq becomes clearer to the world, so her digust has grown.
She wants answers from the bubba that pressed the button.
But then, the emperor only grants additional pay-per-view audiences to his fundie lickspittles and corporate sponsors, doesn't he?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Mears, what a cock. Some things never change
No compassion, no understanding, just more of the same bollocks.
No compassion, no understanding, just more of the same bollocks.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope, the biggest risk in the US army is that you might get injured, the 2nd biggest is contracting some form of venereal disease.mears said:
Not that you have any first-hand knowledge of that, eh?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
An short piece via a blog on Fox News's skewing of this story....
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/12/fox_news_refines_its_cindy_sheehan_smear.php
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/08/12/fox_news_refines_its_cindy_sheehan_smear.php
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Is that really the best you can do mears? Have you really no better answers to these question?mears said:
Is that the basis of answer you think Bush should give this grieving "gold-star" mother? That she should just shut up or face accusations of sympathy with Saddam?
I think her question "why did my son die?" is a reasonable one. Why can't he answer it like an honest man? Why does he try to pretend she's not there while the right-wing lie machine tries to smear her and to intimidate her?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Here's what the highly impartial Mellon Scaife front organisation, the Media Research Center had to say:
http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050812.asp#1
L. Brent Bozell's 'column'.
Bush spends too much time on vacation. In fact his brain has been on permanent vacation since the day he was born.
http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2005/cyb20050812.asp#1
L. Brent Bozell's 'column'.
Bush spends too much time on vacation. In fact his brain has been on permanent vacation since the day he was born.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
She's asking a very good question. It's one I think many people would also like to ask Tony Blair.
It's all very well for these people to hide behind their impenetrable security wall and talk about "noble sacrifice" I think it's only right though, to expect answers about what that "sacrifice" they are so fond of is meant to be for.
X-77 said:maybe now that big brother is over blair will start getting a rough time of it again...
Heh. No, I think the sad truth is that it will take casaulties on the scale that America has suffered--either in Iraq or in terrorist attacks at home--before the British can get worked up about this war.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Well, our media doesn't seem to be game for it yet, so what there is just isn't really being reported or acknowledged by the greater part of the UK media. When did you last see a UK opinion poll on Iraq prominently reported here?
That in itself risks a back-lash. I've picked up a strong sense of frustration in many people that I've talked with, probably going back at least to the last election, and maybe to the pre-war demos. A sense of frustration at having no effective say and at letting Blair back in for the lack of decent choices.
There is a great deal of simmering anger, which Blair's PR people are trying frantically to redirect in ways that line up with their authoritarian agenda.
I don't think that'll work though. I think sooner or later that dam will burst.
That in itself risks a back-lash. I've picked up a strong sense of frustration in many people that I've talked with, probably going back at least to the last election, and maybe to the pre-war demos. A sense of frustration at having no effective say and at letting Blair back in for the lack of decent choices.
There is a great deal of simmering anger, which Blair's PR people are trying frantically to redirect in ways that line up with their authoritarian agenda.
I don't think that'll work though. I think sooner or later that dam will burst.
Bernie Gunther said:
The difference is, in the UK the allegedly left-wing media is largely made up of people just like Blair, who know him, went to school/college with him or owe him favors. Whereas in the US, the allegedly left-wing media have nothing in common with Bush, hate him, and would like nothing more than to see him impeached.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think also, with public opinion, just as with climate change, there are tipping points. Apparently small events causing a cascade of wider ranging effects.
Cindy Sheehan, because her status as a greiving mother makes her very hard to smear without causing a back-lash, may be about to find one in the US.
Cindy Sheehan, because her status as a greiving mother makes her very hard to smear without causing a back-lash, may be about to find one in the US.
fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
I bet peebs is just itching to call her a commie. Go on peebs you savage fucking coward, do it!Bernie Gunther said:
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
They've got no answers for her, or for the rest of us, about why turning Iraq into a festering pest-hole of terrorism was a brilliant idea and in our interests.
The smears aren't working, they just make them look bad. Meanwhile she's coming out with stuff like this everytime she gets interviewed.
The smears aren't working, they just make them look bad. Meanwhile she's coming out with stuff like this everytime she gets interviewed.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Aye the chickenhawksare on the run. No answers, no compassion, no logic, no reason, no nothing.
Bernie Gunther said:
Right, Iraq was much better when it was attacking Iran and Kuwait. It was better when the oil for food profits were bulding palaces for Saddam. The UN sanctions were a golden moment in Iraq's history. The good old days of Uday Hussein, the happy marsh Arabs...
If we could only go back...
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
mears, that argument only has a hope of working if invasion had made things better but it's made them far worse with no realistic hope of improvement any time soon.mears said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
mears said:
You mean back to the days when your "argument" might have been assessed as having any validity?
Rather than now when it is the equivalent of "Yeah, but..."?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Quite so.ViolentPanda said:
The reason Cindy Sheehan's question "Why did my son die?" has so much power is precisely the lack of any good answers. If Bush were able to point to something people would recognise as a success, then he'd have the basis of an answer, but he can't.
He can only point to an incompetent bloody shambles of his own creation, a "Disneyland for wanna-be jihadis" as one commentator called it.
fishfingerer
sultan of cringe
Iran is part of your Leader's axis of evil is it not? Why defend evil? And Kuwait: Elections: none; the monarch is hereditary; prime minister and deputy prime ministers appointed by the monarch. Why defend an anti-democratic shithole like that.mears said:
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