So Tesla
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DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
I ordered one a few years ago, delivery was postponed many times and I ended up selling my allocation back to them for about $30 profit. They have the best charging infrastructure and battery/powertrain technology but the cars themselves are quite shoddily built. I've only ever driven a Model S and it is a fantastic driving experience, no doubt about that. However, the competition are now upping their game and if I wanted a BEV now I think I'd get a BMW i4.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I drove a friend’s e-tron recently, wow, just wow! Instant kick when you hit the throttle. As well as being electric it is an Audi so is beautifully kitted out and is very well built. Plus it winds up divs who hate Audis cos Top Gear told them to switch their ire away from Beemers to the four ringed beasts.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I think range is their ownly selling point, everything else is done better by the competition.
I thought he'd nipped out to get a mars bar.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
The Tesla charging infrastructure is way better than the maddening complex mix of providers all other brands have to cope with.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It's only 10 grand cheaper than the Taycan base model which will hold its value better. Unless you need the extra space of the e-tron you're better off with the better range and performance (2 speed PDK) of the Taycan.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
I hired one for a day when I was on a business trip to San Francisco a few years ago - just to go to a few meetings in Palo Alto and San José. I’m not really into cars but was curious.
It was incredibly smooth and fast to drive. Virtually silent so easy to find yourself going too fast. The guy I hired it from (did it through Turo so private hire) had forgotten to top it up so I spent the afternoon worrying that I was going to run out of juice.
Can’t remember model but here’s a cheesy pic:
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
He has dogs. But he was salivating over the RS GT etron, which is not far off the Taycan Turbo S, which would be much better.
Dovydaitis
Official fishco fish groupie
Took a model 3 for a test drive. I’m 5’2” and I found it really low to the ground. The charging network is great, must admit. We have just got a Hyundai kona electric and more than happy
not-bono-ever
meh
They are silly rapid when i have come across them accelerating on the Autobahn. Also the Tesla supercharge network is a massive infrastructure project in Germany. Kinda compatible tho - a hour at 140 mph, then you've got no option but to pull off' let the whole thing cool down and charge the fucker up again whilst you have a beer and some mett. better off with a diesel germanbox that will get you from Berlin to munich in one hit.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Not driven one but my cousin's husband has a Model S for his daily commute in the states. It was great passenger experience and the screens inside were amazing. However the build quality. given you are paying luxury car prices is far more 'American' than it is 'German'...
mauvais
on reddit or something
One for the "recommend a fascist state" thread I reckon.
Athos
Well-Known Member
D'you think that's becuause the R&D and manufacturing costs are too high to make a fully electric car that could compete in that segment?
mx wcfc
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I get the R&D costs, but once you've done the R&D, why not stick it in a Focus/Zafira type car and shift 100,000s of them?
We're meant to be saving the planet.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Cos it takes time & a lot of money to scale up to the volumes required, so they "practiced" with the model S while building up the production capacity and proving to investors that they've got the chops for a mass market car.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I don't know whether that tech can be produced at a price low enough to compete with a Focus (people are willing to pay a premium for performance that they're not willing to pay to reduce emissions).
mauvais
on reddit or something
Tesla are still getting by on credits from the US government (and sometimes selling them to other manufacturers) to a fair extent. Also, other manufacturers did make mass market cheap EVs but they were all flops. And automotive trends usually do tend to be popularised by the rich first.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Trickle-down, innit.
T & P
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Even cheaper models by non-luxury brands are still pricey. VW no longer seems to be offering the e-Golf, but the ID3, which is kind of a Polo type of car, costs from 30k to 42k. Fucking laughable frankly
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
They're shit and solve fuck all.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
It’s how the car industry works - this was the UK model described to me. Change the brands for other countries
1. some bloke with a beard* in a university invents something.
2. BWAB works with a spin off company to get that something to the point it can be used in motorsport - probably F1 but coukd be somewhere else. 5 cars in the world have it and it costs millions of pounds per car.
3. McClaren or Aston Martin ( before they start using Mercedes tech) puts the something in their fuck off million pound supercar. 20- 50 get sold.
4. AM put it in their city boy bonus, retired accountant car 1000/2000 get sold.
5. JLR put it in their luxury Jag 10,000 /30,000 get sold.
6. The mass market manufacturers put it in their cars millions get sold.
This has been the developed path for 70 odd years - see ABS or composites .
(* These days BWAB may not be a bloke with a beard).
1. some bloke with a beard* in a university invents something.
2. BWAB works with a spin off company to get that something to the point it can be used in motorsport - probably F1 but coukd be somewhere else. 5 cars in the world have it and it costs millions of pounds per car.
3. McClaren or Aston Martin ( before they start using Mercedes tech) puts the something in their fuck off million pound supercar. 20- 50 get sold.
4. AM put it in their city boy bonus, retired accountant car 1000/2000 get sold.
5. JLR put it in their luxury Jag 10,000 /30,000 get sold.
6. The mass market manufacturers put it in their cars millions get sold.
This has been the developed path for 70 odd years - see ABS or composites .
(* These days BWAB may not be a bloke with a beard).
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
A Tesla will drive just fine if it has updates pending. You just can't drive it, for obvious reasons, while it is updating. The updates can be scheduled to happen in the middle of the night or whenever.
Athos
Well-Known Member
About twice the cost of a petrol polo, which has a much greater range, and none of the hassle and delays of charging! Until they make them similar ballpark in terms of costs, I can't see a big voluntary uptake of fully electric cars.
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