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We were specifically talking about bikes, so bringing cars into it absolutely is whataboutery.
No, it’s entirely pertinent to the issue at hand, as drivers seem to be under the impression that rules and regulations of the road should be the same for both 4 wheels and 2, when some basic physics and a sprinkling of statistics shows why that is daft.
 
i simply await your demonstration that your claims have any merit. there is neither whining nor bluster in my post, just a recounting of the useless way you have attempted to prove your assertion.

As I said, you'll have to find out for yourself because the freely available sources I can link to won't satisfy you.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really come down to the poorly worded content of the Highway Code but to what is actually likely to be acted on. While in reality police are highly unlikely to do anything about any vehicle only part of which has crossed the stop line, in some cases a car doing this will trigger the camera and generate an automatic fine while a bicycle won't. A reasonable excuse with which to contest the fine would be that it was raining and you had slightly misjudged the brakes which is exactly what seems to have happened to the young lady in Spy's picture.
 
I don't believe either of these trades are mentioned specifically in the Highway Code. :hmm:

We've already established it's out of date, Bees's copper mate is re-writing it as we speak. Sadly, being a copper it may take some time, what with having to learn to read and write first...
 
No, it’s entirely pertinent to the issue at hand, as drivers seem to be under the impression that rules and regulations of the road should be the same for both 4 wheels and 2, when some basic physics and a sprinkling of statistics shows why that is daft.
Again, cyclists thinking the rules don't apply to them.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really come down to the poorly worded content of the Highway Code but to what is actually likely to be acted on. While in reality police are highly unlikely to do anything about any vehicle only part of which has crossed the stop line, in some cases a car doing this will trigger the camera and generate an automatic fine while a bicycle won't. A reasonable excuse with which to contest the fine would be that it was raining and you had slightly misjudged the brakes which is exactly what seems to have happened to the young lady in Spy's picture.
I reckon what happened there was that she was being chased down the road by a wookie, which she managed to outrun. As she was drawing near to the lights, Darth Vader appeared in the middle of the junction and gave her a bit of a fright. She slammed on the brakes but the neutron flux capacitors had been partially destroyed by a hadron tufty bolt, causing her to end up stradding the stop line.
 
At the end of the day it doesn't really come down to the poorly worded content of the Highway Code but to what is actually likely to be acted on. While in reality police are highly unlikely to do anything about any vehicle only part of which has crossed the stop line, in some cases a car doing this will trigger the camera and generate an automatic fine while a bicycle won't. A reasonable excuse with which to contest the fine would be that it was raining and you had slightly misjudged the brakes which is exactly what seems to have happened to the young lady in Spy's picture.
Otherwise known as driving/riding without due care and attention.
 
We all know that the rules of the road do not apply to cyclists because they don't pay road tax, don't have number plates
and because they are difficult to hold to account.
I have no problem with them not paying tax. I believe tax should be abolished for everyone. No insurance and no traceability are another matter. There are far too many cyclists mowing down pedestrians and simply riding away.
 
I have no problem with them not paying tax. I believe tax should be abolished for everyone. No insurance and no traceability are another matter. There are far too many cyclists mowing down pedestrians and simply riding away.
No tax at all? Fucking eejit
 
Again, cyclists thinking the rules don't apply to them.
Well, thanks to the enlightened, harm reduction based approach to traffic policing from the good folk in the Wear Midlands Police force, round here quite a lot of the rules that apply to cars effectively don’t apply to cyclists. They’ve publicly stated that they are focusing on cars and not cyclists when it comes to things like red light jumping. You might get a telling off if it’s a slow day and they’ve nowt else to do, but that’s it :)
 
The one based on emissions? Seems perfectly fair for now.
You think it's fair that someone who drives 1000 miles a year should pay the same tax as someone who drives 200k miles a year?
So punish mostly working class professional drivers while lightening the tax load on rich owners of multiple cars. Great move.
How would it punish them? They'd simply pass on the cost to whoever they're working for.
 
Well, thanks to the enlightened, harm reduction based approach to traffic policing from the good folk in the Wear Midlands Police force, round here quite a lot of the rules that apply to cars effectively don’t apply to cyclists. They’ve publicly stated that they are focusing on cars and not cyclists when it comes to things like red light jumping. You might get a telling off if it’s a slow day and they’ve nowt else to do, but that’s it :)
Citation needed
 
You think it's fair that someone who drives 1000 miles a year should pay the same tax as someone who drives 200k miles a year?
The way I’d do it given a blank piece of paper would be a base tax on each vehicle that would cover a state backed 3rd party insurance. Then I’d have a yearly charge based per mile driven, linked to emissions, so 5000 miles in a Micra would be a lot cheaper than 5000 miles in a Mustang. Plus the tax on fuel as it is now.

In short, driving would become fucking expensive.
 
The way I’d do it given a blank piece of paper would be a base tax on each vehicle that would cover a state backed 3rd party insurance. Then I’d have a yearly charge based per mile driven, linked to emissions, so 5000 miles in a Micra would be a lot cheaper than 5000 miles in a Mustang. Plus the tax on fuel as it is now.

In short, driving would become fucking expensive.
Taxing fuel covers most of this.
How would you fund the compulsory insurance for cyclists?
 
Define " working class professional drivers "
Private hire drivers and couriers would suffer most, the black cab drivers could probably force a rate rise. But drivers who depend on an office to book work would depend on the company they work for a) agreeing to a fare increase and b) passing it on to the drivers. Given the level of competition and the (non-existent) ethics of the industry they'd lose out big time just as they do every time fuel prices go up.
 
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