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Sheridan abandons hope for the SSP and tries to form new party

Interesting article in The Times

The Pitbull of the Murdoch Empire & the Bourgeious Establishment have not let go yet. Can Red Tommy give these Mad Dogs a swift volley in the Gonads or will they bring him down & tear him to shreds.

His good 'socialist'(sic) 'comrades'(backstabbers) in Workers' Liberty, USFI & Mad Loony Radical Feminists in the SSP should be very glad about this alleged recent development:-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2385169,00.html
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Interesting article in The Times

The Pitbull of the Murdoch Empire & the Bourgeious Establishment have not let go yet. Can Red Tommy give these Mad Dogs a swift volley in the Gonads or will they bring him down & tear him to shreds.

His good 'socialist'(sic) 'comrades'(backstabbers) in Workers' Liberty, USFI & Mad Loony Radical Feminists in the SSP should be very glad about this alleged recent development:-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2385169,00.html
:( :mad: :rolleyes:
 
urbanrevolt said:
Seriously would anyone on this list testify to a bourgeois court about what a comrade of a workers' organisation said or didn't say about his or her own private life if you genbuinely couldn;t rember very well. Not hard.
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The Catholic church has famously adopted this attitude to paodophile priests. They have hidden the truth about their priests, usually by sending them to new jobs where they have often continued their abuse. If a socialist party did that I wouldn't support it.

Tommy wasn't facing prison because he'd broken a law against having sex outside marriage. He brought the case. He went to the bourgeois courts to defend a lie. What credibility would the SSP have if a dozen of their leading members claimed not to remember whatt happened at a crucial meeting of its leading body?

As I've said before, the instinct for unity and against grassing on your mates is a strong one amongst socialists, and a healthy one. Sheridan has abused that instinct.

The important question isn't why a dozen SSP members and others told the truth about Tommy's behaviour in court - they didn't want to, they tried to avoid it but if had they had lied as Tommy demanded they could have faced jail for no substantial reason and the SSP would have been destroyed when the truth came out.

The real question is why Sheridan put these comrades into the position of having to make that choice. That's the real crime here.
 
Comrades in Scotland might find interesting...

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AWL Scotland dayschool: what way forward for Scottish socialists?

On 28 October, Alliance for Workers' Liberty members and sympathisers in Scotland will be holding a dayschool to discuss the way forward for the socialist left in Scotland, across Britain and internationally. After Tommy Sheridan's split from the SSP, what next for Scottish socialists? What politics can allow the SSP to move forward?

12-6pm, Saturday 28 October, Glasgow. Venue tbc.

Sessions will include:

- Yassmine Mather on political Islam and imperialism
- Scottish Socialist Youth activists on the way forward for the SSP
- Debate on Scottish independence
- The politics of socialist feminism

For more information or to let us know you want to come, email darcyleigh@gmail.com or ring Stan on 0141 550 0952.
 
urbanrevolt said:
I know he's probably been a bit of a shit over other things but don't gang up with the scum Murdoch press.
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By going to court he has ganged up with the Murdoch press. He should have said "fuck off, it's none of your business". But instead chose to go in for the legal circus. The ridiculous notion that you can beat Murdoch with lies rather than politics!
 
urbanrevolt said:
I know he's probably been a bit of a shit over other things but don't gang up with the scum Murdoch press.
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It must be tricky for you - you keep having to say 'don't gang up with the Murdoch press' don't you. Got to keep it specific haven't you. For if you say 'don't gang up with the tabloids' or don't gang up with the gutter press' you end up in slightly awkward territory - having to acknowledge that he took 20 grand from another tabloid (as well as doing 'my lovely home' features with them)
 
Sacha Ismail said:
Comrades in Scotland might find interesting...

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AWL Scotland dayschool: what way forward for Scottish socialists?

On 28 October, Alliance for Workers' Liberty members and sympathisers in Scotland will be holding a dayschool to discuss the way forward for the socialist left in Scotland, across Britain and internationally. After Tommy Sheridan's split from the SSP, what next for Scottish socialists? What politics can allow the SSP to move forward?

12-6pm, Saturday 28 October, Glasgow. Venue tbc.

Sessions will include:

- Yassmine Mather on political Islam and imperialism
- Scottish Socialist Youth activists on the way forward for the SSP
- Debate on Scottish independence
- The politics of socialist feminism

For more information or to let us know you want to come, email darcyleigh@gmail.com or ring Stan on 0141 550 0952.
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:rolleyes:
 
Sacha Ismail said:
Comrades in Scotland might find interesting...

--

AWL Scotland dayschool: what way forward for Scottish socialists?

On 28 October, Alliance for Workers' Liberty members and sympathisers in Scotland will be holding a dayschool to discuss the way forward for the socialist left in Scotland, across Britain and internationally. After Tommy Sheridan's split from the SSP, what next for Scottish socialists? What politics can allow the SSP to move forward?

12-6pm, Saturday 28 October, Glasgow. Venue tbc.

Sessions will include:

- Yassmine Mather on political Islam and imperialism
- Scottish Socialist Youth activists on the way forward for the SSP
- Debate on Scottish independence
- The politics of socialist feminism

For more information or to let us know you want to come, email darcyleigh@gmail.com or ring Stan on 0141 550 0952.
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I hope they lose all their seats, then all this crap will be over and won't matter anymore.
 
Bear said:
I hope they lose all their seats, then all this crap will be over and won't matter anymore.
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Well, there's socialist "Solidarity" for you.:rolleyes:
And you backstabbing hatemongers wonder why more and more real socialists prefer to give their support to the Greens?:p
 
greenman said:
Well, there's socialist "Solidarity" for you.:rolleyes:
And you backstabbing hatemongers wonder why more and more real socialists prefer to give their support to the Greens?:p
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I'm not a socialist. I haven't been since I grew up years ago.

Come May for the Holyrood elections I will either vote Lib Dem with both votes or Lib Dem with the first vote and Green with the 2nd (PR) vote.

I hope we've seen the end of the SSP and their spin of sects. Those MSP's have been a joke and (with the exception of Tommy getting warrent sales abolished) have achieved nothing.
 
Nigel Irritable said:
About as interesting as venereal disease. Fucking AWL vultures trying to pick over the bones...
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That we can agree on, Hovering about along with the with the other old vulture Arthur Scargill. Doubtless the WRP fragments will be up here shortly trying to get in on the act as well.
 
imposs1904 said:
Yawn
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I find everything about this fucking depressing but one source of comfort is that things could be a lot worse...

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Bear said:
Come May for the Holyrood elections I will either vote Lib Dem with both votes or Lib Dem with the first vote and Green with the 2nd (PR) vote.
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Because we all know Lib Dems would never stab each other in back:

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Or be pompous ego maniacs:

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or be involved in sleaze or scandels:

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JoePolitix said:
or be involved in sleaze or scandels:

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Now there's a man whose sexual antics make Tommy's look tame! Oaten's odd activities were exposed by the News of the Screws, too.

Two interesting differences:
- Oaten was not stupid enough to sue the News of the Screws
- Neither Oaten nor his chums ran around shouting that the evil Murdoch Empire had run the article to attack the forces of heroic Liberal Democracy
 
JHE said:
Now there's a man whose sexual antics make Tommy's look tame! Oaten's odd activities were exposed by the News of the Screws, too.

Two interesting differences:
- Oaten was not stupid enough to sue the News of the Screws
- Neither Oaten nor his chums ran around shouting that the evil Murdoch Empire had run the article to attack the forces of heroic Liberal Democracy
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True, though I'd put it down to better PR rather than principle.
 
Interesting SW report... no mention of Sheridan threatening to bankrupt the SSP or withdrawing payments to staff in the most Victorian of manners.

Not much of a big up for Solidarity either... Are the SWP comrades planning on jumping ship already to form a Scottish Respect?

Things may happen v quickly now - if Sheridan is found guilty of perjury, he will lose his seat. Byrne also backed him up and, although she was more careful than most, she is also guilty of perjury and could lose her seat.
Whatever the legal implications of this devastating new evidence, Sheridan and Byrne should give up their seats and be replaced by the next SSP representatives on the list.
 
the article carries links to other pieces on solidarity, and can only be read as defending Sheridan. <We've been in a similar situation with Galloway before.....>
 
niclas said:
Things may happen v quickly now - if Sheridan is found guilty of perjury, he will lose his seat. Byrne also backed him up and, although she was more careful than most, she is also guilty of perjury and could lose her seat.
Whatever the legal implications of this devastating new evidence, Sheridan and Byrne should give up their seats and be replaced by the next SSP representatives on the list.
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Things will not happen quickly from a legal point of view. An indictment might be ready for April, before the next election, but no way will a trial be complete by then.

We might consider it more likely than not that Mr Sheridan and Ms Byrne, along with others like Pat Smith from the SWP, will face the awful majesty of the law, but evidence might emerge that some SSP EC people told porkies as well.

The tape in Sunday's NoTW might well have a serious political impact, coming as it does a day before the Crown Office's confirmation that a criminal investigation is under way, but it isn't necessarily devastating new evidence of perjury from a legal point of view. I think the police work will be what uncovers the clincher, if it can be found.

Anyway if a criminal trial does happen it will be a long way away. The evidentiary test for the prosecution will be very heavy... and it will be a jury!

They Might Still Get Off. :mad:

As far as their seats are concerned - they were elected as SSP list MSPs and they aren't SSP any more so they should go but they won't. No point in arguing. They aren't represrenting constituents any more, though, they only represent themselves now!
 
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