Self-driving cars: Motorists will not be liable for crashes and can watch TV behind the wheel, government says
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Serene
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Oh right, I got the impression you liked it. I have added a poll vote. You can vote yes or no, and the votes are public.Not me
urbanspaceman
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I think that the three overlapping changes in cars: a) switch to batteries, b) full self-driving and c) so-called "mobility as a service" will transform the very notion of owning car, starting during the second half of this decade. Imagine that you subscribe to a Mobility Service. You can order a small podule to drive at your front door to take you to and from the office, and a bigger one for family trips. These autonomous vehicles are in use much more than the 5% of time that personal vehicles are used. It might be the end for conventional buses, too.
If superhuman self-driving safety can be cracked, then I think the economic, productivity, road space efficiency, safety, environmental and convenience benefits of "MasS" will be overwhelming.
It took one decade for cars to replace horses. It don't see why this second revolution should take any longer.
If superhuman self-driving safety can be cracked, then I think the economic, productivity, road space efficiency, safety, environmental and convenience benefits of "MasS" will be overwhelming.
It took one decade for cars to replace horses. It don't see why this second revolution should take any longer.
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Serene
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Wow!!
toblerone3
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There is no case at all for privately-owned driverless cars in urban areas of the UK.
Eta: Am I wrong?
Eta: Am I wrong?
Serene
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Could you clarify? No case to own or not to own one? (Shouldnt OR should be private? )
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Can save time in a morning putting make-up on in the mirror then.
I am looking forward to this.
Regards, Mike.
urbanspaceman
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But in the 2030s, autodriving will be mandated on public roads, as will non-polluting cars.For many idiots on the road, self driving, controlling cars will be good. My little Alfa is very basic with few gadgets, a horn, indicators, central locking etc. And no auto stuff thank you. There is another thread about this
But it's not all over for petrol heads. I know a rich Bavarian family which keeps horses, and who are also classic Porsche enthusiasts. They expect in the future, that they will tow the Porches to the track at weekends, to give them a breath of fresh air, just as they do now with their horses.
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It is a requirement of my employment that I have my own car for visiting clients and indeed, I spent the best part of a day visiting them last week. Also I do not fancy struggling to and from work before or after certain shifts including the likes of Christmas day, good Friday etc. When there is little or no public transport.
toblerone3
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No case to own. Inefficient use of road space. Inefficient use of kerbside space.
Serene
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This makes a lot of sense. Where are all the cars going to park then?
toblerone3
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Do you agree with their requirements? There are many reasons why private car use is convenient. But not essential.
Sasaferrato
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toblerone3
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Generally spreaking, I am not set in my views on this, but remain to be convinced. Also be aware that AV use will only affect an absolute maximum of only about 10% of transport trips in inner urban districts by 2041. So the bigger issues of how it affects the public realm and the use of genuinely sustainable transport modes is very important.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
No one cares about watching TV, but if you’re allowed to do that surely you can be pissed too, yeah?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I am really puzzled by anyone voting no in the poll, considering any licenced self-drive cars will be proven to be safer than those driven by humans.
Any comments nottsgirl and muscovyduck?
Any comments nottsgirl and muscovyduck?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
No, because you may need to take control of the car at some point.
Serene
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I very much think not, because you have to be aware to switch to manual if there is a problem.
urbanspaceman
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Would you be satisified with a pod that arrives at your house on command, takes you around your clients, while you catch up on emails during the trips, drops you off at home, and then trundles off to its next job ? And costs much less than your current arrangements.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
IIRC, you were driving, I was the urchin carrying the flag.
You don't remember correctly, but, well, memory & age, etc.
urbanspaceman
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Just like ANPR currently fines you automatically for entering the Congestion Zone or bus lanes, but relentless and infallible.
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Yes, in part. I have to visit clients of all hours of the day and night, take lots of gear with me. I have worked nights on Christmas day once or twice. When I took the job up,I asked if I could use a bike. It was not and is not possible.
Also, try getting home after a long shift at 07.00on Christmas morning.
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I am not a chauffeur,I do not transfer people from a to b. I pick up fallen people.
Serene
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There is only one job like that. Are you Santa?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Yossarian
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This report a few weeks ago was pessimistic about the prospects for self-driving cars in the near future - apparently they work very well on highways etc., but things get a lot trickier in cities.
“Number one is that this stuff is harder than manufacturers realised,” says Matthew Avery, director of research at Thatcham Research. While about 80% of self-driving is relatively simple – making the car follow the line of the road, stick to a certain side, avoid crashing – the next 10% involves more difficult situations such as roundabouts and complex junctions. “The last 10% is really difficult,” says Avery. “That’s when you’ve got, you know, a cow standing in the middle of the road that doesn’t want to move.”
It’s the last 20% that the AV industry is stuck on, especially the final 10%, which covers the devilish problem of “edge cases”. These are rare and unusual events that occur on the road such as a ball bouncing across the street followed by a running child; complicated roadworks that require the car to mount the kerb to get past; a group of protesters wielding signs."
www.theguardian.com
“Number one is that this stuff is harder than manufacturers realised,” says Matthew Avery, director of research at Thatcham Research. While about 80% of self-driving is relatively simple – making the car follow the line of the road, stick to a certain side, avoid crashing – the next 10% involves more difficult situations such as roundabouts and complex junctions. “The last 10% is really difficult,” says Avery. “That’s when you’ve got, you know, a cow standing in the middle of the road that doesn’t want to move.”
It’s the last 20% that the AV industry is stuck on, especially the final 10%, which covers the devilish problem of “edge cases”. These are rare and unusual events that occur on the road such as a ball bouncing across the street followed by a running child; complicated roadworks that require the car to mount the kerb to get past; a group of protesters wielding signs."
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