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I don't think the swirly pattern thing would be useful to me, because I'm not trying to zone out, I'm trying to zone in! But the variations on visualising being bathed in light (which I guess the point of the prison cell visualisation is too) are pretty standard.

For me, awareness of breath, body scan, and metta are the practices of choice. I've tried mantra, and I sometimes go back to it, but I prefer more awareness-focussed words.

I try to do walking mediation every day in the public garden in front of our flat.
 
I don't think the swirly pattern thing would be useful to me, because I'm not trying to zone out, I'm trying to zone in! But the variations on visualising being bathed in light (which I guess the point of the prison cell visualisation is too) are pretty standard.

For me, awareness of breath, body scan, and metta are the practices of choice. I've tried mantra, and I sometimes go back to it, but I prefer more awareness-focussed words.

I try to do walking mediation every day in the public garden in front of our flat.

I don’t know metta. The prison cell scenario has some body scan elements and the swirly meditation is very breath based. The latter is on a VR headset and there is a pulsation to it that you are meant to follow with your breath, and there is a pulse that happens to remind you to get back to your breath when your mind wanders (I don’t know how that works but I guess it is picking up movement and posture).

It felt a bit trippy at times but as soon as you stop concentrating the trippiness slips away, so if it is “zoning out” then maybe that comes after more practise.

I’ve found it pretty handy in dealing with that “I’m doing it wrong” feeling and getting a bit closer to knowing where the zone is.
 
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Just recovering from a general anaesthetic at the moment and it’s really clear how that background mental chatter is all but gone (actually was completely gone for quite a while).

Has been a couple of hours now and all is still very quiet, though the odd thought bubble is rising to the surface and popping every minute or so now.

Probably not recommended as a mindfulness tool tbf.
 
Just recovering from a general anaesthetic at the moment and it’s really clear how that background mental chatter is all but gone (actually was completely gone for quite a while).

Has been a couple of hours now and all is still very quiet, though the odd thought bubble is rising to the surface and popping every minute or so now.

Probably not recommended as a mindfulness tool tbf.
Best wishes for your recovery!
 
Anyone else noticed the cruise company Cunard are using an Alan Watts speech on their current advert? Zen Buddhism being used to sell cruise packages wasn't something I was expecting.
 
Just recovering from a general anaesthetic at the moment and it’s really clear how that background mental chatter is all but gone (actually was completely gone for quite a while).

Has been a couple of hours now and all is still very quiet, though the odd thought bubble is rising to the surface and popping every minute or so now.

Probably not recommended as a mindfulness tool tbf.
Hope you recover swiftly.

And not to make light of your situation but fuck me, to have a quiet mind. Cherish this time :D
 
I want to prattle on about the aforementioned Heidegger quote "we don't come to thought, thought comes to us."

argh i have been contemplating this phrase so much and to me it is like opening the door to, well, i don't know. It's all the sutras in one, or all that i have read on Buddhism, in my view. I try and follow it to all it's conclusions, and the enormous endless space it opens up. It's the pathway to truth beyond words. And I remind myself that he's not talking some thoughts, or just teh bad ones, or jsut teh good ones, he is talking all thought, that i or anyone else has ever thought and to "get with it" you have to be brave enough, which i am rarely brave enough to do, to follow it to all it's logical conclusions. Urgh what a collection of words.
 
it's a sentance, much like a koan, that can be played with and explored and tested all through life
 
I think it's more serenely expressed by meditators regarding thoughts as passing clouds. Or as we simply say, "a thought just crossed my mind".
 
Woke up this morning, and my son took my phone. Norm on a sat I would get up, kettle on, get online, check bank, check weather, check urban. But instead I lay in the bed, no phone. Got a fair bit going on at the moment, mainly positive stuff tbh, and suddenly my mind took over, and I spent an hour, laying in bed, and my mind was sorting and processing. Things would come up, get resolved, or just petter out, or pre-occupy. Like a rolling, moving mind movement, in Zen terms “Ordinary Mind”, perhaps - on and on, and I occasionally took the role of “observer”, “noticing”, what was going on and to me when you see things like this, away from meditation, actually the opposite of meditation, where it is just the mind doing what It can do given time and space and quiet, the mind operating entirely normally with an assumed “self”, a normal thinking through of one’s life, the no self doctrine paradoxically suddenly can be in full focus. There was me laying in bed with an hour or thinking through all that was going on in my life, thoughts and feelings rolling on and on, a sense of sorting, processing – but no one actually doing it. Happening entirely, without condition, by itself, even when the “I” appeared to claim it, i.e. “oh wow I am thinking through a lot this morning”, or “now I will think through this”. Even the willful, “I-doing”, thoughts arising out of nothing, going back to nothing. “There are good actions and bad actions, but no one doing them” in Buddha himself’s terms. Then I guess there’s a remembering, that this no-self is not just happening when someone is laying in bed/meditation is happening as the norm, whether it is remembered or seen or not. I think, or I like to think anyway, that this is what JC meant when he said “forgive them for they know not what they do”. How can you hate someone fully, to their core, when you can see that there is no one there doing it? I’ve said it on here before, but will say it again – nonduality, Buddhism, can almost, not entirely, but one of the best starting points you can is what Heidegger said: “We don’t come to thought, thought comes to us.” Anyway, I don’t want to appear that I am lecturing, I enjoy writing about this stuff, it is a way of clarifying to myself if anything. I have a Zen connection IRL now and very excited about that – she knows he onions very well and looking forward to chatting with her.
 
Woke up this morning, and my son took my phone. Norm on a sat I would get up, kettle on, get online, check bank, check weather, check urban. But instead I lay in the bed, no phone. Got a fair bit going on at the moment, mainly positive stuff tbh, and suddenly my mind took over, and I spent an hour, laying in bed, and my mind was sorting and processing. Things would come up, get resolved, or just petter out, or pre-occupy. Like a rolling, moving mind movement, in Zen terms “Ordinary Mind”, perhaps - on and on, and I occasionally took the role of “observer”, “noticing”, what was going on and to me when you see things like this, away from meditation, actually the opposite of meditation, where it is just the mind doing what It can do given time and space and quiet, the mind operating entirely normally with an assumed “self”, a normal thinking through of one’s life, the no self doctrine paradoxically suddenly can be in full focus. There was me laying in bed with an hour or thinking through all that was going on in my life, thoughts and feelings rolling on and on, a sense of sorting, processing – but no one actually doing it. Happening entirely, without condition, by itself, even when the “I” appeared to claim it, i.e. “oh wow I am thinking through a lot this morning”, or “now I will think through this”. Even the willful, “I-doing”, thoughts arising out of nothing, going back to nothing. “There are good actions and bad actions, but no one doing them” in Buddha himself’s terms. Then I guess there’s a remembering, that this no-self is not just happening when someone is laying in bed/meditation is happening as the norm, whether it is remembered or seen or not. I think, or I like to think anyway, that this is what JC meant when he said “forgive them for they know not what they do”. How can you hate someone fully, to their core, when you can see that there is no one there doing it? I’ve said it on here before, but will say it again – nonduality, Buddhism, can almost, not entirely, but one of the best starting points you can is what Heidegger said: “We don’t come to thought, thought comes to us.” Anyway, I don’t want to appear that I am lecturing, I enjoy writing about this stuff, it is a way of clarifying to myself if anything. I have a Zen connection IRL now and very excited about that – she knows he onions very well and looking forward to chatting with her.
I prefer the Lightin' Hopkins version
 
i listened to something this morning (a buddhist talking) and he told a story of a woman who is blind, and how he asked her what sort of thing do you need help with as a result of your being blind and she said, I can't tell when the lightbulbs have stopped working so I need help with that, changing the lighbulbs. So then he asked hang on why do you need lightbulbs anyway if you can't see and she said I turn them on and off in the evenings in different rooms for the neighbours across the street, so that its not always a dark house they're looking at over the road but a normal one because otherwise that might be weird for them.
Thats proper isn't it, proper imagination and kindness. He was telling the story and saying, I shouldn't be here in the guise of a teacher because i'm nowhere near the level of that woman.
 
i listened to something this morning (a buddhist talking) and he told a story of a woman who is blind, and how he asked her what sort of thing do you need help with as a result of your being blind and she said, I can't tell when the lightbulbs have stopped working so I need help with that, changing the lighbulbs. So then he asked hang on why do you need lightbulbs anyway if you can't see and she said I turn them on and off in the evenings in different rooms for the neighbours across the street, so that its not always a dark house they're looking at over the road but a normal one because otherwise that might be weird for them.
Thats proper isn't it, proper imagination and kindness. He was telling the story and saying, I shouldn't be here in the guise of a teacher because i'm nowhere near the level of that woman.

I would have thought a more day to day problem would be remembering whether the lights are on or off so you don't have them off at night and on during the day, or have a changing mixture of on and off lights.
 
I would have thought a more day to day problem would be remembering whether the lights are on or off so you don't have them off at night and on during the day, or have a changing mixture of on and off lights.
You can usually hear when lights are on. Well, I can.
 
It was good that guy's little talk (he's a scouse itinerant monk, with exactly two things on the internet far as i can see) but the bit about the blind woman who turns lights on and off for her neighbours that's what will stay with me. I do like when people tell stories as a way of showing you things instead of wanging on about 'loving kindness' etc.
 
You can tell by feeling the light switch surely. When they're on. Or off.

Maybe, though the settings will reverse if she uses any splitter switches, and I can never remember whether up or down is on vs off anyway.

Surely makes more sense to get a few of those cheap timers from Wilko that most people use to turn lights on and off when they go on holiday.

Or take the holistic path and tell the neighbours that the need to move towards carbon neutrality is more important than them getting weirdly upset about a dark house, and that they need to get fucking therapy.
 
And if it is, its still a good story. Most of the stories buddhists tell are located two thousand years ago and involve bon mots spoken by mythical beasts so, I'm going to say it fine, it did its job.

It makes more sense as a story designed to sort the True Believers from the critical thinkers.
 
It makes more sense as a story designed to sort the True Believers from the critical thinkers.
It's just a story, a way of communicating an idea, like a metaphor. And thats why you cant spoil it, whether it happened or not isn't the point.
 
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