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enjoying my own projection of how Schopenheur kinda intersects with Buddhism. The world of representation has definite Buddhist/Hindu overlaps, he was a big reader of the Upanishads.

Also enjoying the non dual question "Who am I." do this on teh bus each day after my usual ten minutes Zen. have got into some fucking weird head spaces with that question. Especially when asking directly afteward "where does it come from? What's doing it?"

Spiritual practice is great. I really would be lost without. I like the adventure nature of it. You never really know what will arrive. It's good fun, like a hobby.
 
This is a wonderful thread, thank you. I went to a local Buddhist .... temple / school, when I needed to get right after running a self-employed business for 20 years. It was a wonderful experience and they helped me greatly. I thank them for that. I was taught meditation which I am naturaly good at and even breathing. I use the parts of Buddhism that I need. I am not a total Buddhist per se.
I also use mindfulness and have done so for many years. Everyday mindfulness on twitter is my favourite. I t is very good. https://twitter.com/MindfulEveryday
We all have brains. Human brains are so intelligent and powerful. Most people dont know how to use them optimally. Our thoughts, for an example, are not us. We can observe them, just like we watch television. Same with moods.
Mindfulness enables us to learn about our senses, brain.... etc and to be able to make ourselves happier. Mindfulness doesnt happen overnight but takes a while to sink in, into our subconscious, until we can be aware of how wre feeling, reacting, and thinking, in coreespondance with objective and subjective stimulation.
It takes time to work. Cannot be done overnight. But it works wonderfully.
I understand that many people on this thread know this already. This post is simply my own opinion.
 
Is anyone here still active in their practice? I'm trying to navigate some very painful stuff right now with meditation and Buddhist principles, and it'd be nice to talk it through with anyone else who tries to follow this path.
 
Is anyone here still active in their practice? I'm trying to navigate some very painful stuff right now with meditation and Buddhist principles, and it'd be nice to talk it through with anyone else who tries to follow this path.

Yes, I like to think I am still practicing to the best of my ability. What are you struggling with?
 
I'm not struggling with anything. I'm meditating a lot and I'm definitely getting a lot of very... idk how to explain it, blissful feelings, both when meditating and not, and I'm at least 15% nicer, smiling at people in the street, more generous and compassionate, but I still cry as much if not more as I did when I started.

I am working with emotion, A LOT. A LOT. But I am crying A LOT. I could previously cry in appropriate places, like the bathroom, but now I've started crying in the wrong places too.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean that in the negative "Struggling" just a figure of speech. Maybe there is a lot of emotion which needs to be released. Usually when I cry uncontrollably, it's down to depression for me. By the sounds of it you don't seem to be depressed, but highly emotional. Not sure what to suggest. Do you attend any Buddhist temples or groups? Can you share your experience there if you do? If not I highly recommend this forum --> Recent Discussions They are very compassionate on there and you might get a better response than I have provided. Hope it helps.
 
I'm not struggling with anything. I'm meditating a lot and I'm definitely getting a lot of very... idk how to explain it, blissful feelings, both when meditating and not, and I'm at least 15% nicer, smiling at people in the street, more generous and compassionate, but I still cry as much if not more as I did when I started.

I am working with emotion, A LOT. A LOT. But I am crying A LOT. I could previously cry in appropriate places, like the bathroom, but now I've started crying in the wrong places too.

This will sound silly, but I never got the blissed-out feelings until I started meditating using a virtual reality headset and app.
I think I could have sat there breathing forever without that happening otherwise.

Is your concern that you thought the meditation would directly impact the teariness in the short term (you'll obv know more about the causes behind it than me)?
 
Is anyone here still active in their practice? I'm trying to navigate some very painful stuff right now with meditation and Buddhist principles, and it'd be nice to talk it through with anyone else who tries to follow this path.
Yes, still meditating. Happy to talk it through.
 
Is anyone here still active in their practice? I'm trying to navigate some very painful stuff right now with meditation and Buddhist principles, and it'd be nice to talk it through with anyone else who tries to follow this path.
You might find it useful to join a community. I found a Zen sangha that follows the Plum Village tradition, which I attend. This tradition suits me but may not suit others. However, the point is that as part of their practice they have “mindful sharing” sessions, where people talk about their practice, what they may be working through, their successes or frustrations and so on. I find this a very useful experience.
 
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You might find it useful to join a community. I found a Zen sangha that follows the Plum Village tradition, which I attend. This tradition suits me but may not suit others. However, the point is that as part of their practice they have “mindful sharing” sessions, where people talk about their practice, what they may be working through, their successes or frustrations and so on. I find this a very useful experience.
That's Thich Nat Hanh (sp?) tradition isn't it? Always found him impressive.
 
I'm not struggling with anything. I'm meditating a lot and I'm definitely getting a lot of very... idk how to explain it, blissful feelings, both when meditating and not, and I'm at least 15% nicer, smiling at people in the street, more generous and compassionate, but I still cry as much if not more as I did when I started.

I am working with emotion, A LOT. A LOT. But I am crying A LOT. I could previously cry in appropriate places, like the bathroom, but now I've started crying in the wrong places too.
Could it be that meditating is putting you more in touch with emotions/feelings that perhaps have been under the surface but previously unaccessed?

I think when we allow ourselves space to feel, things come up.

That's my experience anyway. Maybe it's yours too - or maybe not. Just an idea.

Sharing with others who meditate is a great idea. Joining a group of like minded people, a sangha, or going on a retreat.

I echo others mentioning Thich Nat Hanh (RIP). I've found his work really helpful, esp a book called 'Reconciliation - Healing your inner child' - which might sound a bit ctingeworthy but it's actually brilliant.
 
You might find it useful to join a community. I found a Zen sangha that follows the Plum Village tradition, which I attend. This tradition suits me but may not suit others. However, the point is that as part of their practice they have “mindful sharing” sessions, where people talk about their practice, what they may be working through, their successes or frustrations and so on. I find this a very useful experience.
That sounds great - there are lots of those groups connected to Plum Village around the UK aren't there?
 
Thank you to everyone who replied. 💖 I just finished reading "When Things Fall Apart" by Pema Chodron, which has really clarified a lot of things. I am a mess right now :D so I'm hopeless at replying to messages and I sincerely apologize for that.

Living, as I do, in China, there's no irl Buddhist group for me to join. Not that he's a Buddhist, but along with doing a lot of Joseph Goldstein meditations off YouTube, I've been listening to some Ram Dass and that too has been very helpful.
 
i have found that most of buddhist wisdom kind of pivots on key words or phrases. the one i like the most at the moment is "inescapable" - which think is a common phrase in Taoist practice. So i can mantra or mindfully or meditate the shit out of conciousness, but alas i am really just trying to add awareness onto awareness. the more it changes, the more it is the same thing. I can do anything with my mind, but it is still the awareness i had before i decided to do anything. This is a way to remove transcendance in my view, and instead infuse imminance with transcendance. samsara and nirvarna becoming one. space-time suddenly, even just briefly, deconstructed. I cannot do anything other than be here. and meditation is like trying to push water up a hill until this finally becomes clear.
 
it's like the fetishisation of the present moment. as if it is a cottage that you have to walk into and then you get dragged out of it lol. must get back into the cottage. you've never been out of the present moment, even when you are unaware of it. took me about 5 years to make sense of this :D
 
it's been mentioned on other threads but heidegger's phrase "we don't come to thought, thought comes to us" - is, in my view, in Buddhist terms, direct pointing at the moon, and not confusing the finger with the moon. direct pointing at being. that phrase, in my view, is the heart of Buddhism. he gets at something there that is the path in just two lines. he fucking nails it. self, will, action - he collapses it all i guess to give what he might call "an encounter with Being".

anyway hope my doodles help someone on the path.
 
I echo others mentioning Thich Nat Hanh (RIP). I've found his work really helpful, esp a book called 'Reconciliation - Healing your inner child' - which might sound a bit ctingeworthy but it's actually brilliant.
There are a great number of books by Thich Nhat Hanh. I've read several. Once you've read a handful, you'll find there's stories and metaphors he returns to again and again. Which is fair enough: his message is pretty simple (although also profound), and that's: the present moment is the only one you can actually live, and you can access it more fully by returning to awareness of your breath. Even his coinage Interbeing is a concept that is intended to work in service of mindfulness of the breath and the present moment.

Thay (as his admirers call him, pronounced "tie" - it's an informal Vietnamese form of address meaning "teacher", and one you can apply typically to any monk or person imparting wisdom, but which has come to be TNH's affectionate nickname), was capable of intellectualising the Buddhist canon. He spoke several languages, including Chinese, English and French, as well as the literary scriptural languages of Pali and Sanskrit, and has done comparative translations of sutras found in the "Northern Transmission" (ie, preserved in Chinese or Tibetan, broadly Mahayana Buddhism), and the "Southern Transmission" (ie preserved in Pali, broadly Theravada). He keeps these accessible, but after ploughing through several pages of The Four Jhanas, The Five Skandhas, The Eighteen Something Elses, you can be forgiven for glazing over and wishing for another "breathing in, I know I am breathing in". (Which will come, don't worry about that). But there are other books that are far less theoretical, and easier on the casual reader. Reconciliation, although very useful (I agree with han - it's a gem) is one of those.

My recommendations are.

For the casual reader
Peace is Every Step (the best introduction to his thinking. If you have this, you don't need The Miracle of Mindfulness, which actually I'm not as fond of).

Buddhist Theory
The Other Shore (a translation and commentary on the Heart Sutra, and a very useful book. One of my favourites. Very accessible, and suitable for someone who has read, say, Peace Is Every Step.);
Zen Keys (an early book, and a general introduction to Zen);
Awakening of the Heart (a much larger compendium of translations and commentaries on sutras, much more of a commitment).

If you want a more technical book, the Heart of the Buddha's Teaching is good, but it does drift off into 18 This, and 14 That, and so on.

There's a few things about his work that as a secular practitioner I find very useful. He never makes any supernatural claims. (He does sometimes talk about "the kingdom of god", but he very clearly uses it as a synonym for the Universe, or "the Pure Land of the Buddha", which he says is only available in the present moment, so he just means the benefits of mindfulness). Everything is very grounded in what is useful in the present moment. On reincarnation, he talks about genes, about the impression you make on others and on the world, the atoms that make up your body being reused. He even talks of energy-momentum conservation: the heat of your body returns to the universe when you die. It doesn't disappear. And so on. He talks of our genetic inheritance going back through our parents and grandparents, even beyond the human species, into non human ancestors, right back to single celled organisms. The conception of reincarnation he offers is compatible with science and with social theory. Nothing supernatural. In one video he is asked by an audience member "what happens when you die?". He replies "what happens when you live?". That can be taken a number of ways. The technical: "Do we really understand what life is?" Or the more instructional: "be alive in the present moment. Don't live in the future".

The next thing that's useful to the secular practitioner is that because he's from Vietnam, which has both the Theravada and the Zen (Mahayana) traditions in its culture and history, he presents a synthesis of those traditions. He takes what is useful in both traditions. He makes a comparison to get at what he believes is the deep core of what the Buddha's teaching was about and, in essence, what it was for.

Finally, he is interested in "engaged Buddhism". His personal experiences in Vietnam, of both "The French War" and "The American War", meant he is steeped in practicality. His order were out in villages tending the injured and dying, repairing buildings, rehoming orphans. He doesn't want us disappearing into a mountain hermitage and staring at a wall for years in order to Attain Enlightenment. He wants us to take care of our psychological well-being so that we can better cope with the demands of activism. He is engaged with social justice, environmental justice, discrimination, and so on. He uses the analogy of an oxygen mask in an aeroplane: you attach your own mask so that you are able to care for others.

I think his stuff has something to offer us.
 
I'm currently reading Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism by Chogyam Trungpa. He's not got quite the same bedside manner as TNH.
 
I'm currently reading Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism by Chogyam Trungpa. He's not got quite the same bedside manner as TNH.
Tibetan Buddhism isn't quite my thing. Nor, to be honest, is Trungpa. ("Sleeping with" his students and so on. I think today that wouldn't be seen as promiscuity, but sexual abuse).
 
Tibetan Buddhism isn't quite my thing. Nor, to be honest, is Trungpa. ("Sleeping with" his students and so on. I think today that wouldn't be seen as promiscuity, but sexual abuse).

Yeah that is obviously a huge drawback when reading him, but I keep seeing the concept of spiritual materialism being referenced in other texts so I thought I'd give it a read.
 
This is very basic and untheoretical, but I've picked up a bit of an interest in slightly off-kilter and quirky* meditation techniques.
Wondering whether others have their own techniques, and I expect a lot of it is just tiny derivations on established methods.

"Chargin' mah laser" - this involves visualising an intensifying point of light in that "third eye" area - I saw a psychiatrist doing as a guided meditation and seems really good for motivation, energy and concentration

"Prison cell" - this involves being in an all-white prison cell with a high window at one end. you make it all as vivid as possible until you pull yourself up to see out of the window frame, at which point a blindingly bright light comes in through the window, obliterating the cell, you, and everything until just the light remains. Despite the possibly bleak setting, it seems good at engendering a state of calm.

"Swirly pattern" - animated (or non-animated I guess) swirly patterns can provide a point of focus. I have an animated one that makes me feel pretty trippy.


* - possibly just off-kilter and quirky to me - you may well already know all this stuff and be facepalming the whole post
 
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