Habermas on [post?] secular societies...

[the button]

Since the 16th century, Europe has had to contend with confessional schisms within its own culture and society

It's interesting, although not entirely surprising (given his take on modernity), that Habermas dates this from the 16th century. All in all, it strikes me as a very "German" take on things (the key role of the Reformation & all that). It's almost like Habermas is constructing a sort of pre-secular monolithic christendom, that moves into secularism through the influence of the Reformation (Weber, anyone? -- as others have observed).

Europe contended with confessional schisms way before the 16th century -- and to an extent was created in and through this contention. I'm thinking about Moorish Spain here, but also about the expulsions of Jews from various European countries at various points in the middle ages. As well as the pre-Reformation movements within christianity such as Albigensianism and the Cathars.

None of this fits with Habermas' historiography, of course, but then Habermas is one of those thinkers who tells us stories about why the period that we're living in is different to other ones, which tends to involve dividing history into nice little epochs.

(My favourite characterisation of the times we live in is Daniel Boyarin's "very late antiquity," but I suspect he was taking the piss ).

 

[goldenecitrone]

*Aldebaran in immature mode (not able to come close to the depths of gorski's knowledge and skills in the matter)*--->

*Aldebaran in normal Aldebaran mode, giving additional information to help gorski understand post 28:*

You linked to the text in German.

*and adding now a simplified question to help gorski understand intention as expressed in post 28:*

Did you read it?

salaam.

Did he fuck. He can't read German. Just a poor Serbo-Croat translation. What an amateur.

 

[gorski]

Indeed. Can you translate C&P to German for him, please. I fear he's in a bit of a bind here...

 

[fogbat]

Boy, you really are as vain as they come, quite immature...

It's a C&P, FFS, from that link I posted, twat!

Copied for, well, just the LULZ really.


p.s. You seem to be reacting aggressively on this thread to people who've done nothing but politely disagree with you.

 

[gorski]

Butchers? Polite? You must be joking!!!!

 

[fogbat]

How about Knotted? Their post was polite. Your response wasn't:

Sit down, you failed miserably, as you understood nothing. Back to the original text. As many times as necessary...

 

[gorski]

Long story... it all has a history...