So, what could a post-USA North America look like?
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Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Each of these five countries has around the same population as the UK, though I think Colorado and New Mexico would be a lot more at home in the red zone and northern Virginia would not care to be shackled to the orange zone, aka Jesusland.
www.vox.com
America is too big. Here’s how to split it into five UK-sized countries.
The US is now nearly five times bigger than the UK.
www.vox.com
petee
no gods, no malarkey
don;t forget the independent nations already existing within the territory of the US
they can't have foreign policy, but they have autonomy within their borders. which leads to problems as they'll sell cigs tax-free, which makes state governments reallllllly upset.
they can't have foreign policy, but they have autonomy within their borders. which leads to problems as they'll sell cigs tax-free, which makes state governments reallllllly upset.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
There's a William Gibson novel where the USA has effectively, for any real purposes, fallen apart, but the vestiges of a unitary state remain, including a White House with a president in it.
I think something like is far more likely than a repetition of the USSR or Yugoslavia.
As for Texas - it's the Girl Most Likely To when it comes to secession, but the Texans are going to be like the Scots and the Quebecois. They'll take big on independence, but whenever the time comes to actually pull the trigger (unfortunate metaphor) their collective nerve will fail them.
I think something like is far more likely than a repetition of the USSR or Yugoslavia.
As for Texas - it's the Girl Most Likely To when it comes to secession, but the Texans are going to be like the Scots and the Quebecois. They'll take big on independence, but whenever the time comes to actually pull the trigger (unfortunate metaphor) their collective nerve will fail them.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Frank and Dave already answered this 
spring-peeper
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I think it is strange that the title is about north America, but all but one map is only the United States.
One map that includes Canada, and none that includes Mexico.
It is a bit annoying that a thread claiming to be North America is only about the land mass that is now called United States of America.
I hope the title was an error, and not that the op thinks that the US is the only country in North America.
One map that includes Canada, and none that includes Mexico.
It is a bit annoying that a thread claiming to be North America is only about the land mass that is now called United States of America.
I hope the title was an error, and not that the op thinks that the US is the only country in North America.
Cloo
Banana for scale
Yes, I do know that Canada is considered as part of North America, my intention wasn't to leave Canada out, but I apologise for my geographical inaccuracy. Though I was going to say I wonder if a liberal-outer-edge US would want to join forces with Canada (or if Canada would have them).... Mexico is an interesting one that as to how that would relate...
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
With Quebec likely unwilling to accept any new English-speaking provinces, Canada would probably splinter along with the US - Quebec going its own way, Ontario entering some loose federation with its Rust Belt neighbours, the Atlantic provinces allying themselves with New England, Alberta and possibly other prairie provinces becoming Texas North, and British Columbia joining Cascadia.
This was a thought I had also...
spring-peeper
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spring-peeper
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huh???
Quebec will stay in Canada.
Just because the States are splitting up, there is no reason to suggest the Canada would split up as well.
spring-peeper
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I wonder what the difference between a colony and a district....
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I would quite like see the Scottish and Russian colonies reinstated
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Maybe the market for Bibles, woolen clothing, and wigs in the Darien Gap has matured in the last 300 years
The colonies in Gilead were areas that had been contaminated with chemical and nuclear waste from industrial pollution, accidents and war, and where prisoners were sent to do cleanup work till they die.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
more of itas to TN there is the recent unpleasantness that goes with having a supermajority (= veto-proof majority in the legislature). remember, this was carried out by the same people who exculpated the Jan. 6th rioters.
No One Should Be That Shocked by What’s Happening in Tennessee
I covered the statehouse for years. It’s been heading in this direction for a while.www.politico.com
John Krull: The Tennessee 3’s lesson about supermajority government - The Republic News
Just as night follows day, political power unjustly acquired inevitably will become political power unjustly exerted.www.therepublic.com
'Disgusting' new robocall smears Tennessee Three as violent 'Antifa' radicals
A new robocall is falsely accusing the three Tennessee Democratstargeted by Republicans for expulsion from the state legislature of being violent "Antifa" radicals.Audio of the call, which was obtained by the Tennessee Holler, describes Tennessee Democrats Justin Pearson, Justin Jones, and...www.alternet.org
New bill could ban certain topics from Tennessee college campuses
There were some tense moments on the house floor Thursday following the first full day back of the two re-instated lawmakers.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
krtek a houby
Kick me again Jesus
That was an interesting show
petee
no gods, no malarkey
more TN
also, put-your-fist-through-the-screen stuff
www.newschannel5.com
A member of GOP leadership in the Tennessee House of Representatives was recently found guilty of sexually harassing at least one legislative intern, likely two, by an ethics subcommittee acting in secret, NewsChannel 5 Investigates has learned.
Rep. Scotty Campbell, who serves as vice chair of the House Republican Caucus and who recently voted to expel three Democrats who engaged in a gun violence protest on the House floor, suffered no consequences as a result of his actions.
Despite accusations of sometimes extremely vulgar comments and other inappropriate advances, Republicans did not remove the 39-year-old East Tennessee lawmaker from his leadership position nor from his committee assignments.
also, put-your-fist-through-the-screen stuff
REVEALED: GOP leader, who voted to expel TN Three, resigns; found guilty of sexually harassing interns
A member of Republican leadership in the Tennessee House of Representatives was found guilty of sexually harassing legislative interns by an ethics subcommittee acting in secret
www.newschannel5.com
A member of GOP leadership in the Tennessee House of Representatives was recently found guilty of sexually harassing at least one legislative intern, likely two, by an ethics subcommittee acting in secret, NewsChannel 5 Investigates has learned.
Rep. Scotty Campbell, who serves as vice chair of the House Republican Caucus and who recently voted to expel three Democrats who engaged in a gun violence protest on the House floor, suffered no consequences as a result of his actions.
Despite accusations of sometimes extremely vulgar comments and other inappropriate advances, Republicans did not remove the 39-year-old East Tennessee lawmaker from his leadership position nor from his committee assignments.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
more TN
also, put-your-fist-through-the-screen stuff
REVEALED: GOP leader, who voted to expel TN Three, resigns; found guilty of sexually harassing interns
A member of Republican leadership in the Tennessee House of Representatives was found guilty of sexually harassing legislative interns by an ethics subcommittee acting in secret
apparently he's resigned
Tennessee Republican lawmaker resigns after ethics violation
A state lawmaker in Tennessee has resigned suddenly for an ethics violation. It became public Thursday. Republican Rep. Scotty Campbell had recently joined fellow Republicans in expelling two Black Democratic legislators for protesting in support of gun control on the state House floor. The...
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Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Here's one: the Californians playing silly buggers, as is their wont:
www.nytimes.com
"the repeated suggestion that California is in some way its own nation is touching nerves and prompting concerns about the future of American federalism."
"Let us now rise for the national anthem of Independent California - "that's like, just your opinion, man".
Newsom calling California a "nation-state" was quite a big story in the early weeks of the pandemic - and the Irish Times (I think it was) had a map showing the different regional blocs emerging in the US as various tried to pool counter-Pandemic resources.
Is California a Nation-State? (Published 2020)
Tuesday: Gov. Gavin Newsom said he doesn’t mean “nation-state” literally. But he’s proud of it. Also: Remembering Rosary Celaya Castro-Olega.
"the repeated suggestion that California is in some way its own nation is touching nerves and prompting concerns about the future of American federalism."
"Let us now rise for the national anthem of Independent California - "that's like, just your opinion, man".
Newsom calling California a "nation-state" was quite a big story in the early weeks of the pandemic - and the Irish Times (I think it was) had a map showing the different regional blocs emerging in the US as various tried to pool counter-Pandemic resources.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Factory workers, miners, and loggers; service-industry workers,
teachers, students, and the unemployed, take back what belongs to
you, your jobs, your determination, and your liberty.
And you, workers at General Electric, you make your factories run;
only you are capable of production; without you General Electric is
nothing!
Workers of Quebec, take back today what is yours; take back what
belongs to you. Only you know your factories, your machines, your
hotels, your universities, your unions. Don't wait for some miracle
organization.
Make your own revolution in your neighborhoods, in your places of
work. If you don't do it yourselves, other technocratic usurpers and so
on will replace the handful of cigar smokers we now know, and
everything will have to be done over again. Only you are able to
build a free society.
(don't worry, I love Canada really)
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
The Pandemic Makes a Case for Megaregions
This article is reprinted with permission from CityLab, where it originally appeared. As U.S. states move into the next phase of the coronavirus crisis, they may not be getting all the help they want from the federal government, but they won’t be alone. In at least three parts of the country...
And then there's this:
State Alliances Are Leading the US Fight Against Covid-19
The Western States Pact and a council of northeastern states have formed public health coalitions while the federal government does … whatever it’s doing.
So. . . we don't yet have any sign of an actual move to secession by any constituent part of the USA. But we already have the (temporary) emergence of regional alliances by states, in a context in which the federal government is rendered (or has rendered itself) irrelevant.
Of course, nothing as bad as the pandemic is ever going to happen again, so this is of mere historical influence. There couldn't be any relevance to any possible future crisis situation.
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