Scots indy results thread

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a picture off twitter someone has 'sorted' by presumably searching twitter for 'regret no' or similar search terms and it represents nothing other than some people on twitter saying they regret their vote. Jesus.

Right. So it's entirely meaningless.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Paddy Englishman, Paddy Irishman, Paddy Englishman...

 

[DairyQueen]

Sorry, I don't get this argument. People who voted Labour in previous elections are somehow going to vote 'no' because 'their party' told them to? People don't vote like that. People vote in a more independent manner than that. They might vote labour but also have thought 'yes' on the balance of what they thought was right, not what the SNP thought was right or some other cunt in the 'yes' campaign thought was right. And they might still hope for a labour future, believe in a labour movement.

There is no contradiction here.

The labour movement? Which movement is that? I thought movements had, you know, people out in the streets, some kind of trajectory.

 

[where to]

Right. So it's entirely meaningless.

You're really not adding anything to the discussion with this you know.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The labour movement? Which movement is that? I thought movements had, you know, people out in the streets, some kind of trajectory.

you know, trade unions and that.

There are people who still believe in the link between the labour party and the trade unions, and will vote labour over the snp on that basis.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're really not adding anything to the discussion with this you know.

No, it's weepiper who's adding nothing with her selection of tweets.

 

[where to]

Two personal friends have joined parties in the last 36 hours. a month ago neither were campaigners, one wasn't at all.

Now 3. Apologies in advance though - shite sample size. Ban anecdotes.

 

[SpookyFrank]

So sturgeon is tipped to take over? Fucking hell. What an upgrade.

The important thing is that Scotland remains in the capable hands of someone named after a fish.

 

[DairyQueen]

The Labour Party, even before this, were on something of a downward trajectory (even in England). It remains to be seen if that will continue. They do get a lot of coverage at General Elections, the SNP don't.

I agree it is too early to tell how things are going with the Scottish electorate, but Labour is becoming an anachronism and a cunt magnet. Trade Unionism is not what it used to be, and the good ones are not even affiliated with Labour any more.

Whether making total tits of themselves in this referendum will help them in any way, I doubt.

 

[weepiper]

you know, trade unions and that.

There are people who still believe in the link between the labour party and the trade unions.

yeah, some of them are the people who've torn up their USDAW memberships because they sent out a letter advising their members to vote no. I know of two personally.

 

[coley]

Scotland benefits from a higher per capita income from central government than the other nations within the UK, I am very surprised that those other nations are not more vociferous with regard to this.

Think we might be hearing a lot more on this given Cameron's waffle on how " we have heard the Scots speak, now we have to listen to England and the rest of the UK"
A fairer distribution of the Barnett formula might be on the way

 

[redsquirrel]

Now 3. Apologies in advance though - shite sample size. Ban anecdotes.

No but when your anecdotal evidence has lead you to wrongly predict something it might be time to for some re-evaluation

 

[DairyQueen]

It has been widely reported that there has been a surge in SNP, Green and SSP membership. I don't find that hard to believe. A lot of people were out campaigning, and really do think independence is the only way to change our current system. English people should join as well

 

[littlebabyjesus]

yeah, some of them are the people who've torn up their USDAW memberships because they sent out a letter advising their members to vote no. I know of two personally.

Yep. I lost my belief in labour as representing the labour movement years ago. It's a sad moment.

 

[where to]

No, it's weepiper who's adding nothing with her selection of tweets.

I found it interesting and will be looking out for more of the same.

Any source is useful in building understanding if you assess its meaning and give it appropriate weight.

 

[where to]

No but when your anecdotal evidence has lead you to wrongly predict something it might be time to for some re-evaluation

My predictions on the referendum result were spot on and based in many respects on anecdotal evidence.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Scotland benefits from a higher per capita income from central government than the other nations within the UK, I am very surprised that those other nations are not more vociferous with regard to this.

Some people are actually OK with the redistribution of wealth.

If you want something to be angry about, look at how coalition cuts to local authority funding have been vastly greater in areas that don't vote tory. That's not redistribution, it's not 'austerity', it's just outright theft.

 

[redsquirrel]

My predictions on the referendum result were spot on and based in many respects on anecdotal evidence.

Fine but there were U75 YES supporters that did predict YES wins

 

[DownwardDog]

I was against 'compulsory voting', but having seen the genuine engagement in this campaign, and also the colossal turnout, I've shifted my view. Perhaps if people had to vote, they would engage more with the political process. Who knows, Scotland might return a 'Real Conservative' government.

We have compulsory voting in Australia; it doesn't lead to an engaged electorate or rarefied political debate in the style of Aeschines vs. Demosthenes. All it means is that the parties don't have to get their core votes out and therefore never have to offer them any ideological red meat. Thus elections are fought on matters of process and competence with near identical policies from all parties.

 

[Quartz]

If you want something to be angry about, look at how coalition cuts to local authority funding have been vastly greater in areas that don't vote tory. That's not redistribution, it's not 'austerity', it's just outright theft.

I disagree: it's politicians buying votes as usual. Just like the aircraft carriers being built on the Clyde. Labour constituencies, of course.

 

[8ball]

I suppose one upside is that you get a good indication of disaffection from the spoiled votes.

 

[DairyQueen]

and also the privelege of saying, "I was forced to draw a cock on a ballot paper this morning"

 

[coley]

The important thing is that Scotland remains in the capable hands of someone named after a fish.

When was I elected? Funny sort of democracy, oh Scotland? Naw, got paint I need to see drying

 

[DairyQueen]

When was I elected? Funny sort of democracy, oh Scotland? Naw, got paint I need to see drying

Is this a pun?

 

[coley]

Is this a pun?

Aye, just bored

 

[redsquirrel]

I suppose one upside is that you get a good indication of disaffection from the spoiled votes.

You don't, well at least in Oz you don't. The Australian electorate is every bit as disaffected as the British but that doesn't really translate into spoiled ballots.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I was struck by the tiny no of spoilt ballots. Around 3,000, irrc. A tiny number.

 

[8ball]

You don't, well at least in Oz you don't. The Australian electorate is every bit as disaffected as the British but that doesn't really translate into spoiled ballots.

I thought you got a hell of a lot more spoiled ballots there compared to here.

 

[where to]

I was struck by the tiny no of spoilt ballots. Around 3,000, irrc. A tiny number.

Totally agree. And only around 700 did the 'both boxes' option, which was a fairly logical option for several desperately undecided people I knew alone. In the end they voted Yes.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

I disagree: it's politicians buying votes as usual. Just like the aircraft carriers being built on the Clyde. Labour constituencies, of course.

It's tricky to build aircraft carriers in the leafy shires, with no access to major rivers. They would if they could work out a way round this constraint though.