Scoffing too much meat and eggs is ‘just as bad as smoking’, claim scientists

[Dr_Herbz]

Do you drink milk or consume any milk products? If so, you are complicit in what you define as "murder" whether you eat veal or not.

I know, and I admitted as much here...

E2A... I love meat. I love a nice steak and I love bacon but I refuse to eat lamb or veal. This doesn't make me in any way better than someone who likes to eat babies but it makes me feel a little less guilty.

I'm not trying to gross you out, nor am I trying to put myself forward as being morally superior in any way. I'm simply saying that veal, in any form, isn't ethical.
I hold my hands up and admit that I eat murdered animals but I wouldn't try to convince myself that any form of murder can be in any way ethical.

I'm as complicit as anyone else but I'm not going to dress it up as something it isn't, and I stand by my original statement... There's nothing ethical about taking a baby from its mother at a few days of age, confining it in a tiny room and killing it a few months later, just because we think it tastes a bit better if it's (mis)treated that way.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

all the posts about not having meat being dull and the usual shutting down of anything that points to problems with meat consumption

But, the original premise of the thread is flawed; untrue.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

everyone has their limits and ethical considerations it is just sad that those who make different choices or could have been brought up that way constantly get ridiculed and attacked

As a rule, around here, it's the non meat eaters usually doing the attacking, ie, this thread. It often seems that the vegetarians aren't satisfied with the fact that they've found for themselves a diet that seems to give them what they're looking for, nutrition-wise. They [not all, of course] are motivated to go on with constant reminders that theirs is the superior way, not only nutritionally, but morally as well.

I'm not sure who it is they're trying to convince: meat eaters; or themselves.

 

[Greebo]

<snip>I'm not sure who it is they're trying to convince: meat eaters; or themselves.

Analogy: If somebody has to keep reminding you that they're nice, they're probably not.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm as complicit as anyone else but I'm not going to dress it up as something it isn't, and I stand by my original statement... There's nothing ethical about taking a baby from its mother at a few days of age, confining it in a tiny room and killing it a few months later, just because we think it tastes a bit better if it's (mis)treated that way.

Veal farms vary a lot. They can look like this, for instance:

or they can look like this:

For me, the key ethical issue is this - the treatment of the animals while they are alive.

 

[fishfinger]

or they can look like this:

That type of veal production has been banned in the UK since 1990.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

why don't they call dead pieces of decomposing cow beef and not cow?

Because most of it isn't cow: it's steer.

 

[spanglechick]

Because most of it isn't cow: it's steer.

We don't use the word steer. Is it different from a bull?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

We don't use the word steer. Is it different from a bull?

It's a bull with balls removed.

 

[spanglechick]

It's a bull with balls removed.

Aha. Wiki tells me we call that an ox or a bullock.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a bull with balls removed.

We call those bullocks.

Bulls with no bollocks.

 

[Spymaster]

do you defend this?

Absolutely not.

Luncheon meat should have a minimum 90% meat content, imo.

 

[Callie]

do you defend this?

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/05/luncheon-meat-with-faces-just.php

oh and this purile piece will amuse some of the meat defenders here
"look, boobs and bacon!" what's not to like (unless you are a vegi/gay/woman etc)
http://geekologie.com/2009/01/highly-questionable-the-bacon.php

dude, is that a clown?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Aha. Wiki tells me we call that an ox or a bullock.

I live in cowboy country.

Heifers, steers, dogies, beeves, etc...

 

[ddraig]

firstly, fuck right off JC with your shite non answers and carpet bombing

Analogy: If somebody has to keep reminding you that they're nice, they're probably not.

wt actual fuck? what are you implying there?
i am certainly not nice and haven't claimed to be

Veal farms vary a lot. They can look like this, for instance:

or they can look like this:

For me, the key ethical issue is this - the treatment of the animals while they are alive.

because it's soooo much easier for the animal to face its death for your plate because it had a few days outdoors an saw some grass.

I live in cowboy country.

Heifers, steers, dogies, beeves, etc...

and you know full well that no one else on here does so maybe think about that when asserting the "correct" answer

callie, i don't know! tried not to look at it too long

 

[Spymaster]

 

[Orang Utan]

I know, and I admitted as much here...





I'm as complicit as anyone else but I'm not going to dress it up as something it isn't, and I stand by my original statement... There's nothing ethical about taking a baby from its mother at a few days of age, confining it in a tiny room and killing it a few months later, just because we think it tastes a bit better if it's (mis)treated that way.

What's your objection to lamb? They're about as free range as you get. And how delicious!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

oh and this purile piece will amuse some of the meat defenders here
"look, boobs and bacon!" what's not to like (unless you are a vegi/gay/woman etc)
http://geekologie.com/2009/01/highly-questionable-the-bacon.php

Um.

I don't get the indignation. It's very silly, but I think it's intended to be very silly. It's someone being very silly.

 

[Spymaster]

wt actual fuck? what are you implying there?
i am certainly not nice and haven't claimed to be

That's why she called it an analogy.

 

[8ball]

That doesn't make it any better.

 

[Orang Utan]

do you defend this?

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/05/luncheon-meat-with-faces-just.php

Why does it need defending?,

 

[Spymaster]

because it's soooo much easier for the animal to face its death for your plate because it had a few days outdoors an saw some grass.

Whoosh!

 

[8ball]

callie, i don't know! tried not to look at it too long

I know it's gruesome, but if it makes you any better I can confirm that the clown had a long and happy life before being cooked and longitudinally sliced into a children's sandwich product.

 

[Spymaster]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I know it's gruesome, but if it makes you any better I can confirm that the clown had a long and happy life before being cooked and longitudinally sliced into a children's sandwich product.

And he was killed quickly and humanely after being stunned with a rubber mallet.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

because it's soooo much easier for the animal to face its death for your plate because it had a few days outdoors an saw some grass.

You're showing editor-sized logic fail on this thread.

You clearly have different ideas, but for me there are two separate aspects to farm animal welfare: how it is kept through its life and how it is killed. The calves in example 1 from my post pass that first test. And yes, I do think that is important.

 

[Orang Utan]

And he was killed quickly and humanely after being stunned with a rubber mallet.

DOOOIIIIIINNNNGG!

 

[ddraig]

You're showing editor-sized logic fail on this thread.

You clearly have different ideas, but for me there are two separate aspects to farm animal welfare: how it is kept through its life and how it is killed. The calves in example 1 from my post pass that first test. And yes, I do think that is important.

do what you have to do to justify your choices
the animal still dies needlessly for your tastebuds

 

[8ball]

DOOOIIIIIINNNNGG!

You people are SICK!!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

the animal still dies needlessly for your tastebuds

That's right. That's the bit I have no problem with.