Saudi Arabia allows women to travel independently

[Don Troooomp]

Saudi Arabia allows women to travel independently

Saudi has been kind enough to allow women to travel alone, and that's going to be interesting.
Many people think Saudi women are oppressed (Me included) so I wonder what's going to happen over the next few weeks and months.
I'm guessing a good few (ones with cash and some without) will do a runner, especially those getting close to (or in) forced marriages they really want to escape from.
I also have to wonder how many 'runners' will ditch that daft black shit they have to wear - I'll bet most of them.

 

[StoneRoad]

one could say that SA is beginning to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. still, progress, if limited. but they still execute in public and imho it would be a good thing if they ditched sharia and religion on the way.

 

[Don Troooomp]

one could say that SA is beginning to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. still, progress, if limited. but they still execute in public and imho it would be a good thing if they ditched sharia and religion on the way.

They could always have whatever they wanted because of the oil, but things are changing and they know it - That's probably why they're starting to change.

 

[Pickman's model]

one could say that SA is beginning to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. still, progress, if limited. but they still execute in public and imho it would be a good thing if they ditched sharia and religion on the way.

they also execute in private, to be fair

 

[Johnny Vodka]

That's nice of them. We should sell them some extra weapons.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Somehow I have to wonder how that will work on the real world. You still have to have a male provider willing to support the costs of a woman's travel. As with driving, if you can't afford a car and all that entails, you still won't be driving.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That's nice of them. We should sell them some extra weapons.

Fuck them and the gold-plated supercars they rode in on.

Saudi tourist brings four gold cars worth more than £1m to London

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Fuck them and the gold-plated supercars they rode in on.

Saudi tourist brings four gold cars worth more than £1m to London

Hopefully they'll get keyed or rear ended..

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Hopefully they'll get keyed or rear ended..

He got trolled pretty hard. Someone covered their car with gold-painted paper and became part of his entourage:

 

[editor]

Fuck them and the gold-plated supercars they rode in on.

Saudi tourist brings four gold cars worth more than £1m to London

Like a lot of rich people: no style, no class.

 

[tim]

one could say that SA is beginning to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. still, progress, if limited. but they still execute in public and imho it would be a good thing if they ditched sharia and religion on the way.

One couldn't say anything of the sort. Women rights campaigners are currently in gaol being tortured, raped and at risk of being murdered

'What they did to me was so horrific': brutal silencing of a Saudi feminist

More generally the regime is murdering its critics, and slaughtering the civilian population of the Yemen. Don't be fooled by these cunts.

 

[hash tag]

Women are still in jail for protesting about not being allowed to drive, are they even allowed out on their own yet.
They can only travel if they can get their own passport, can retain their own passport and I assume get the necessary permits and permissions. For now, I would take any of these changes with a pinch of sand.

Lots of nice Saudi things here (and lots more threads besides...
Saudi Arabia chosen to head human rights panel whilst sentencing citizen to crucifixion

 

[hash tag]

one could say that SA is beginning to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. still, progress, if limited. but they still execute in public and imho it would be a good thing if they ditched sharia and religion on the way.

This is where they should be starting, but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[hash tag]

From the independent. Women have the rights of a child

"Under the kingdom’s restrictive guardianship system, women are deemed legal minors and cannot marry, divorce, travel, get a job, be released from prison or have elective surgery without permission from their male guardians. Often a woman’s male guardian is her father or husband and in some cases a woman’s own son."

 

[Cloo]

I've heard it said that the Crown Prince is doing this stuff as it's good PR to detract from the ruthless crackdown on people he doesn't like and other unpleasant goings on.

 

[hash tag]

Nothing but a whitewash or a smokescreen.
Saudi ranks 141st out of 149 countries in respect of human rights. Why anyone would travel there or work there is beyond me.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Nothing but a whitewash or a smokescreen.
Saudi ranks 141st out of 149 countries in respect of human rights. Why anyone would travel there or work there is beyond me.

Fucking hell. There are countries that are worse?

 

[ffsear]

I worked with a guy from Saudi. He was In a meeting once and a lady came In to serve tea. The company got a usd 100k fine from the financial regulator because women are not allowed in a board meeting ( or something along those lines) shocking

 

[Don Troooomp]

Nothing but a whitewash or a smokescreen.
Saudi ranks 141st out of 149 countries in respect of human rights. Why anyone would travel there or work there is beyond me.

That's easy - They pay people from poorer countries a lot of cash to do so, or at least a lot more than those workers could make in their own countries. I gather India and the Philippines are big suppliers of labour to Saudi.

 

[hash tag]

Quite often these people are prised lots of cash and often treated worse than slaves.

 

[joustmaster]

We truly have entered the 20th century

 

[tim]

We truly have entered the 20th century

With MBS jettisoning the old corrupt authoritarian princely oligarchy; and replacing it with a mid-twentieth corrupt totalitarian state with him as il duce/fuhrer.

 

[Pickman's model]

We truly have entered the 20th century

With MBS jettisoning the old corrupt authoritarian princely oligarchy; and replacing it with a mid-twentieth corrupt totalitarian state with him as il duce/fuhrer.

Yeh how much better this country is than those dreadful Saudis

But wait a minute, this country's sent troops and sold a load of weapons to defend this peculiar dynasty, not to mention slavishly defending them in international institutions

What's that make the UK?

 

[Spymaster]

Fucking hell. There are countries that are worse?

North Korea, Turkmenistan and latterly, Syria, usually top the table for this. Any number of African states could lay claim to a top 10 spot. China’s up there too. It depends on how you like to rate your repression but if you’re going primarily for the treatment of women and homosexuals, Saudi and Iran are hard to beat.

 

[tim]

Yeh how much better this country is than those dreadful Saudis

But wait a minute, this country's sent troops and sold a load of weapons to defend this peculiar dynasty, not to mention slavishly defending them in international institutions

What's that make the UK?

complicit but well rewarded

 

[hash tag]

Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysa could also be well up there.

 

[hash tag]

Yeh how much better this country is than those dreadful Saudis

But wait a minute, this country's sent troops and sold a load of weapons to defend this peculiar dynasty, not to mention slavishly defending them in international institutions

What's that make the UK?

We have recently regained second spot as the biggest exporter of arms, because we are great and because we can make a difference.

Wanna do something, however little Campaign Against Arms Trade

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

With MBS jettisoning the old corrupt authoritarian princely oligarchy; and replacing it with a mid-twentieth corrupt totalitarian state with him as il duce/fuhrer.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Quite often these people are prised lots of cash and often treated worse than slaves.

I believe that actual slavery only ended in 1962 in Saudi Arabia. The US abolished slavery a hundred years before that and is still dealing with its legacy. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when we see slavery in everything but name still exists there. It appears (correct me if I'm wrong), but in the US slavery was replaced by Jim Crow. In Saudi Arabia it was replaced by the al-kafala system. Its how foreign workers are recruited and maintained under a sponsorship system. The sponsor (usually the employer), holds passports and money for the employee and that gives them a lot of power and the ability to abuse those workers.

 

[Pickman's model]

I believe that actual slavery only ended in 1962 in Saudi Arabia. The US abolished slavery a hundred years before that and is still dealing with its legacy. It appears (correct me if I'm wrong), but in the US slavery was replaced by Jim Crow. In Saudi Arabia is was replaced by the al-kafala system. Its how foreign workers are recruited and maintained under a sponsorship system. The sponsor (usually the employer), holds passports and money for the employee and that give them a lot of power and the ability to abuse those workers.

as i understand it, a system of indentured workers operated alongside slavery in the united states (colonial period at least, a bit anachronistic i know) (America Cannot Bear to Bring Back Indentured Servitude) and this al-kafala thing sounds a lot like that