Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

[weltweit]

My "anti death penalty" isn't out of any squeamishness about killing a human being. It is only because in a regime where the death penalty is routine for murder cases, the chances of executing innocent people becomes quite significant. And once you have executed someone there is no way back.

In this individual case, there is no doubt, so I can fantasise about the execution of the murderers.

 

[Petcha]

And those of us who advocate a swift clean death are barbaric!

I think being sliced in the face with a can or whatever the fuck happened to this prick is a good start. and he's got 40 more years of it. so let's let it happen.

the prisons are overcrowded. presumably he won't be in a jeffrey archer cell.

 

[Lurdan]

Exactly; the culture of avoiding/disabling links to right-wing media is a way of preserving some dignity and a collective self-respect.

Not sure that if I had any self-respect I'd post at a forum like this one

I think there are lots of reasons for not directly linking to particular sites. Stuff gets removed or rewritten so archiving it preserves what you're referring to. If you know other urbanites are hostile to a particular site then archiving or screencapping avoids the thread becoming about the fact the link has been made rather than about the content of what is linked to. In the case of x-tweets people boycotting the site are able to see the content if it's screencapped, or even better if the text of the x-tweet is just copied and pasted. And if that's "too much trouble" then it might be worth considering whether it is important enough to share.

But I'm not convinced by the idea that not linking to some ill-defined list of sites can be the basis of some kind of community building, beyond the basic expectation of having a reasonable regard for other urbanites.

Very very occasionally I get the impression that some people are looking for a "haven in a heartless world" and the objection to some links is actually about the unpleasant reality of what's being discussed intruding in to that. Well if people want that sort of space there's no reason they can't set up political 'Sofa' threads with ground rules about content and behaviour. But it's clearly not going to work in P&P threads as they are.

 

[Spymaster]

Hand wringing liberals.

A while back someone (I think it was PK) was giving me stick about how medieval CP was, and a few posts later started fantasizing about child killers being doused with boiling sugar water and living in constant fear of being raped.

 

[PTK]

Im honestly surprised they managed to get a murder verdict for this horrible pair tbh. I was expecting manslaughter. Yes they were guilty of terrible child abuse but I don't believe they actually planned to kill her... although im no legal expert and for sure under UK law it can be shown that their behaviour did constitute that.

The baying tabloid brigade will want this pair strung up but frankly even if capital punishment was reintroduced it would 100% be used against 'enemies of the state' first and foremost. Terrorists and traitors. And then serial killers or people who have killed numerous people. So chances are childmurdering scumbags would still be serving 'life' sentences in prison just the same anyway. But it would be used in dangerous and unpredictable ways just as it is in the US, Iran, China etc etc.

With this in mind, I personally think this cunt getting slashed half to death with a tuna tin every year or two is probably as good a result as we can have it.

Those who relish inflicting violece on other people ought to have a good think about themselves.

 

[weltweit]

Those who relish inflicting violece on other people ought to have a good think about themselves.

When a dog or a cat comes to the end of their lives they are taken to the Vet who administers a fatal injection. The process is quick and seems painless, there is certainly no violence.

 

[PTK]

A while back someone (I think it was PK) was giving me stick about how medieval CP was, but a few posts later started fantasizing about child killers being doused with boiling sugar water and living in constant fear of being raped.

I have heard that in the USSR that people who were executed after a judicial process were shot in the back of the head without warning. The idea behind this was that it was seen as less cruel. I am not sure if this was the case.

 

[PTK]

When a dog or a cat comes to the end of their lives they are taken to the Vet who administers a fatal injection. The process is quick and seems painless, there is certainly no violence.

Yes, but people who fantasise about cutting cats and dogs with tin cans are probably not quite right.

 

[Petcha]

Not sure that if I had any self-respect I'd post at a forum like this one

I think there are lots of reasons for not directly linking to particular sites. Stuff gets removed or rewritten so archiving it preserves what you're referring to. If you know other urbanites are hostile to a particular site then archiving or screencapping avoids the thread becoming about the fact the link has been made rather than about the content of what is linked to. In the case of x-tweets people boycotting the site are able to see the content if it's screencapped, or even better if the text of the x-tweet is just copied and pasted. And if that's "too much trouble" then it might be worth considering whether it is important enough to share.

But I'm not convinced by the idea that not linking to some ill-defined list of sites can be the basis of some kind of community building, beyond the basic expectation of having a reasonable regard for other urbanites.

Very very occasionally I get the impression that some people are looking for a "haven in a heartless world" and the objection to some links is actually about the unpleasant reality of what's being discussed intruding in to that. Well if people want that sort of space there's no reason they can't set up political 'Sofa' threads with ground rules about content and behaviour. But it's clearly not going to work in P&P threads as they are.

That's the most coherent post on here so far.

Personally I think it's idiocy to not read what a huge section of the population is reading. And then yes, critiquing it. It's fucking juvenile not to do so. It's throwing the toys out of the pram territory. Sorry folks... this is what is actually happening IRL. This is what people outside of this little bubble are reading/writing. Let's debate these views, not ignore them. That ignorant approach has not got many movements very far. On both sides.

 

[xenon]

i had got the idea (possibly mistakenly) that posting a link in full can allow the site linked to track back here.

i'm sure that the likes of the daily fail / scum wouldn't bother, but presume there's times when it's not a good idea.

from the Urban rules -

Yeah. They can see the URL of the referrer in the web server logs if they care to look. More important in the old days breaking links to avoid board wars.

 

[Spymaster]

I have heard that in the USSR that people who were executed after a judicial process were shot in the back of the head without warning. The idea behind this was that it was seen as less cruel. I am not sure if this was the case.

A single pistol shot to the back of the head was pretty much the standard method of execution for civilians in Russia, right up to the moratorium in the 90s. Military executions were by firing squad.

The Russians have typically taken a rather no-nonsense approach to this kind of thing.

 

[brogdale]

That's the most coherent post on here so far.

Personally I think it's idiocy to not read what a huge section of the population is reading. And then yes, critiquing it. It's fucking juvenile not to do so. It's throwing the toys out of the pram territory. Sorry folks... this is what is actually happening IRL. This is what people outside of this little bubble are reading/writing. Let's debate these views, not ignore them. That ignorant approach has not got many movements very far. On both sides.

I thought we were discussing direct linking to such media sources, not reading them?

 

[story]

That's the most coherent post on here so far.

Personally I think it's idiocy to not read what a huge section of the population is reading. And then yes, critiquing it. It's fucking juvenile not to do so. It's throwing the toys out of the pram territory. Sorry folks... this is what is actually happening IRL. This is what people outside of this little bubble are reading/writing. Let's debate these views, not ignore them. That ignorant approach has not got many movements very far. On both sides.

No one is saying don’t read it.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

In this individual case, there is no doubt, so I can fantasise about the execution of the murderers

But there is doubt. Three people have been convicted - but only one actually killed her.

 

[emanymton]

But there is doubt. Three people have been convicted - but only one actually killed her.

I think In cases like this those who allow it happen and don't get medical help are considered as guilty as the one who who strikes the killing blow, it's basically a conspiracy.

 

[PTK]

My "anti death penalty" isn't out of any squeamishness about killing a human being. It is only because in a regime where the death penalty is routine for murder cases, the chances of executing innocent people becomes quite significant. And once you have executed someone there is no way back.

In this individual case, there is no doubt, so I can fantasise about the execution of the murderers.

You fantasise about killing people? That will seem rather strange to most people.

 

[weltweit]

You fantasise about killing people? That will seem rather strange to most people.

Perhaps I didn't phrase that very well.
I can imagine that they get the death sentence might have been more accurate.

 

[PTK]

Perhaps I didn't phrase that very well.
I can imagine that they get the death sentence might have been more accurate.

What is the point in killing them? What would it achieve?

 

[weltweit]

What is the point in killing them? What would it achieve?

Justice, a punishment that fits the crime ..

 

[freshapple]

You fantasise about killing people? That will seem rather strange to most people.

Bit creepy

 

[PTK]

Justice, a punishment that fits the crime ..

Why should a puishment fit a crime?

 

[ouirdeaux]

A while back someone (I think it was PK) was giving me stick about how medieval CP was, and a few posts later started fantasizing about child killers being doused with boiling sugar water and living in constant fear of being raped.

It's indefensible. If you believe that they should be doused with boiling sugar water, or raped, then you should be arguing for this to be part of their punishment. Not turning a blind eye and letting scumbags do what you don't have the courage to advocate.

 

[weltweit]

Why should a puishment fit a crime?

Seems logical, the greater the crime the greater the punishment.

 

[krtek a houby]

Seems logical, the greater the crime the greater the punishment.

How is murder logical?

 

[Humberto]

In his case it would be a mercy. Deserves some get back in the meantime. Better erasing him.

 

[8ball]

My "anti death penalty" isn't out of any squeamishness about killing a human being. It is only because in a regime where the death penalty is routine for murder cases, the chances of executing innocent people becomes quite significant. And once you have executed someone there is no way back.

Tbf, once you have locked someone up for a massive portion of their life there is no going back either.

 

[8ball]

A while back someone (I think it was PK) was giving me stick about how medieval CP was, and a few posts later started fantasizing about child killers being doused with boiling sugar water and living in constant fear of being raped.

Well, that’s pretty dark.

 

[Riklet]

Those who relish inflicting violece on other people ought to have a good think about themselves.

And you don't think the prison system is a form of violence?

Why is slashing someone in the face violent but handcuffing someone and throwing them into a concrete cell in the dark with just a bucket to shit in for years some kind of humane and civilized answer. You might not be hanging them from a crane like in Iran but it's designed to crush the human spirit.

So yes, maybe British prisons are no where near that bad (of course) but they are still made to discipline and punish - through both symbolic and very real violence. Now personally I have no problem with that in some situations, although yes violence is a grim thing to take pleasure in. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of educated liberal twits bleeting on about the dignified and humane nature to life imprisonment when compared to capital punishment.

 

[Riklet]

And those of us who advocate a swift clean death are barbaric!

Where are these swift clean deaths you speak of? Not much evidence of that in the good old USA anyway.

 

[Petcha]

This guy tied up a tiny girl. Hog tied her. For weeks. Beat her senseless. Day after day. Burned her with an iron, threw boiled water over her, left her wounds unattended so they became infected so she was in agony. And far, far more. Then killed her. With the help of two other people.

No, whoever slashed this fucking cunt's face open deserves a knighthood. And he has 40 more years of looking over his shoulder to enjoy.