Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

[story]

This is the kind of case I would be happy for the death penalty to apply for.

What, for citing the Daily Mail or the Sun?

 

[story]

Who wants to post on a forum where people post the daily mail regularly in a serious and ernest and genuine way. Unapologetically. Yuck.

Fuck off to Mumsnet if you do you.

Yeah, I guess by continuing to break the link etc so we’re tacitly and subtly maintaining the LW leanings of this place. It’s a signal innit.

 

[weltweit]

What, citing the Daily Mail or the Sun?

Not citing anyone story.
I.e. according to weltweit, I would be happy if the death penalty applied for this case

 

[brogdale]

Who wants to post on a forum where people post the daily mail regularly in a serious and ernest and genuine way. Unapologetically. Yuck.

Fuck off to Mumsnet if you do you.

Exactly; the culture of avoiding/disabling links to right-wing media is a way of preserving some dignity and a collective self-respect.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Yeah, I guess by continuing to break the link etc so we’re tacitly and subtly maintaining the LW leanings of this place. It’s a signal innit.

i had got the idea (possibly mistakenly) that posting a link in full can allow the site linked to track back here.

i'm sure that the likes of the daily fail / scum wouldn't bother, but presume there's times when it's not a good idea.

from the Urban rules -

Trolling/direct linking. Do not directly link to 'hostile' websites (leave gaps in the URL if you wish to refer to them). Anyone found posting up malicious links on other sites and/or trying to stir up 'board wars' will be banned.

 

[Petcha]

No one is ignoring any of it.
Of course the DM is taken into account when politics etc are being discussed. Would be mad to ignore it.

Weird insult you’ve dealt me there re: lifestyle section. I’m so hurt!

Apologies for RW links is just one of the quirks that has become habit here. It all started before the paywall thing.

Plenty of journos on here so on the whole we know how it all works. Common knowledge that the red tops hang onto the good writers ( also that some of the good writers tend to undermine their integrity in order to keep getting the sweet sweet meat they get given in return.

Sorry - wasn't meaning to insult you in person. Just a generalisation. If I see a story breaking on Twitter I know it won't be on the 'reputable' newspaper sites for quite a long while after it appears on something like the Mail, so yes - horror of horrors, I will give them my click. They'll also usually give you far more of the detail that the Guardian's lawyers no doubt quibble about for hours. I don't read the Love Island shit etc on there. I don't see any need to apologise for having a broad spectrum of news sources. I even read the the fucking NY Post from time to time...

 

[Petcha]

I like it. It’s etiquette. Like holding a chair out for my auntie when she sits down to eat. Outdated, outmoded, but still meaningful in an old fashioned way.

Not expecting anyone else to do it and I don’t give a shit if anyone else does/doesn’t do it.

Its just fucking stupid. Know your enemy and all that. I'm sure Nigel Slater's latest column on pasta is fascinating and all of course.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I was expecting manslaughter. Yes they were guilty of terrible child abuse but I don't believe they actually planned to kill her... although im no legal expert and for sure under UK law it can be shown that their behaviour did constitute that.

UK Murder law:

If you intended serious harm upon a person, at GBH level and they die, that is murder.

If you intended ABH level of harm and they die, that is manslaughter.

If you didn't intend harm but they die, that can also be manslaughter.

 

[story]

i had got the idea (possibly mistakenly) that posting a link in full can allow the site linked to track back here.

i'm sure that the likes of the daily fail / scum wouldn't bother, but presume there's times when it's not a good idea.

from the Urban rules -

Oh yeah, I’d forgotten that bit.

Ta for the clarification.

 

[brogdale]

Sorry - wasn't meaning to insult you in person. Just a generalisation. If I see a story breaking on Twitter I know it won't be on the 'reputable' newspaper sites for quite a long while after it appears on something like the Mail, so yes - horror of horrors, I will give them my click. They'll also usually give you far more of the detail that the Guardian's lawyers no doubt quibble about for hours. I don't read the Love Island shit etc on there. I don't see any need to apologise for having a broad spectrum of news sources. I even read the the fucking NY Post from time to time...

But it's perfectly easy to share the breaking news with a screenshot, without direct linking to the vile right-wing media businesses.

 

[HeAthen]

Urban has changed, a lot. Things that were part of the bedrock attitude and mood here in can longer taken for granted. That’s alright, things change. We’ve got new people on here and god knows we needed that. But as always happens when new folk join an existing community, there will be standing traditions and attitudes that look weird anachronistic or foolish to the new people. And often those traditions are misunderstood or misinterpreted by the new people. That’s alright too.

As one of the new people, I'd just like to say that the death penalty is fucking barbaric and has no place in a civilised society no matter what the evidence or crime. No one has the moral right to take another person's life. It's not even about the person that has comitted the crime or my feelings towards them, it's just that it's categorically wrong.

 

[brogdale]

As one of the new people, I'd just like to say that the death penalty is fucking barbaric and has no place in a civilised society no matter what the evidence or crime. No one has the moral right to take another person's life. It's not even about the person that has comitted the crime or my feelings towards them, it's just that it's categorically wrong.

Welcome aboard.

 

[story]

Sorry - wasn't meaning to insult you in person. Just a generalisation. If I see a story breaking on Twitter I know it won't be on the 'reputable' newspaper sites for quite a long while after it appears on something like the Mail, so yes - horror of horrors, I will give them my click. They'll also usually give you far more of the detail that the Guardian's lawyers no doubt quibble about for hours. I don't read the Love Island shit etc on there. I don't see any need to apologise for having a broad spectrum of news sources. I even read the the fucking NY Post from time to time...

Its just fucking stupid. Know your enemy and all that. I'm sure Nigel Slater's latest column on pasta is fascinating and all of course.

Bored now.

You’ve either ignored or misunderstood what I’m saying.

Don’t much care which it is.

 

[story]

As one of the new people, I'd just like to say that the death penalty is fucking barbaric and has no place in a civilised society no matter what the evidence or crime. No one has the moral right to take another person's life. It's not even about the person that has comitted the crime or my feelings towards them, it's just that it's categorically wrong.

I’ve not said anything at all about the death penalty.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

As one of the new people, I'd just like to say that the death penalty is fucking barbaric and has no place in a civilised society no matter what the evidence or crime. No one has the moral right to take another person's life. It's not even about the person that has comitted the crime or my feelings towards them, it's just that it's categorically wrong.

Meh, what about Jeebus, huh? If anyone deserved a good nailing....

 

[Spymaster]

But it's perfectly easy to share the breaking news with a screenshot, without direct linking to the vile right-wing media businesses.

What do you believe to be the positive effects of not direct linking?

 

[Petcha]

Bored now.

You’ve either ignored or misunderstood what I’m saying.

Don’t much care which it is.

 

[story]

Not citing anyone story.
I.e. according to weltweit, I would be happy if the death penalty applied for this case

I was teasing, cos your post dropped into the middle of the derail about citing RW links.

 

[Petcha]

What do you believe to be the positive effects of not direct linking?

I think the argument has always been that by clicking on a DM link or something similar you're adding to their ad revenue. Because natch a dozen or so clicks from Urban is going to massively increase the stock price of said outlet.

 

[brogdale]

What do you believe to be the positive effects of not direct linking?

Do you suppose that these right-wing media businesses would prefer that people did direct link them into social media discussions?

 

[HeAthen]

I’ve not said anything at all about the death penalty.

That wasn't posted as a dig at you (not that I think there was anything in your post to have a dig at). There has been discussion of whether the death penalty is acceptable, and I took that part of your post to maybe be suggesting about views changing on the board on various issues, possibly including this. I was just making the point that I presume my views on that subject are inline with a lot of more established members. If I was mistaken then apologies.

 

[weltweit]

As one of the new people, I'd just like to say that the death penalty is fucking barbaric and has no place in a civilised society no matter what the evidence or crime. No one has the moral right to take another person's life. It's not even about the person that has comitted the crime or my feelings towards them, it's just that it's categorically wrong.

Sustained cruelty to children leading to then their murder, tips the scales for me. I am talking in theory, i.e. this is a case where I wouldn't lose sleep if the definite perpetrators were executed. Assuming there was absolutely no doubt, there can be delays and appeals etc etc but assuming there is no doubt they deserve no more mercy than they had permitted their victim.

In reality I am against the death penalty because of the risk of executing innocent individuals, however where there is no doubt, I can wonder, what is justice for an appalling crime like this?

 

[Spymaster]

I think the argument has always been that by clicking on a DM link or something similar you're adding to their ad revenue. Because natch a dozen or so clicks from Urban is going to massively increase the stock price of said outlet.

Yes. That's bollocks and always has been. It's based on a misunderstanding of how cost per click (CPC) marketing works. Some advertisers do pay per click on adverts, but it's within specific campaigns. CPC does not apply to news articles.

 

[brogdale]

Yes. That's bollocks and always has been. It's based on a misunderstanding of how cost per click (CPC) marketing works. Some advertisers do pay per click on adverts, but it's within specific campaigns. It does not apply to news articles.

As an older person I must bow to your technological knowledge and accept the veracity of what you say, but I'm also aware that direct linking increases the risk of readers of a post clicking to the Hooray for the Blackshirts site and increases the chances of contributing to their CPC revenues. Why take the risk?

 

[story]

That wasn't posted as a dig at you (not that I think there was anything in your post to have a dig at). There has been discussion of whether the death penalty is acceptable, and I took that part of your post to maybe be suggesting about views changing on the board on various issues, possibly including this. I was just making the point that I presume my views on that subject are inline with a lot of more established members. If I was mistaken then apologies.

No need to apologise.
No foul no harm.


Views about capital punishment are necessarily revisited time and again. My own views have remained steady since thinking it all through in my late teens. I think the general consensus on here has changed a little bit, to reflect our changing demographic.

 

[BigMoaner]

Against death penalty but very much in favour of life without parole sentences in these sorts of instances.

 

[Spymaster]

Against death penalty but very much in favour of life without parole sentences in these sorts of instances.

In reality, there's no such thing in the UK. If there was it would take much of the wind out of the sails of the pro CP brigade.

We have whole life orders which are supposed to be just that but they're extremely rare and can be reduced on appeal.

 

[Wilf]

What, for citing the Daily Mail or the Sun?

Well, they won't do it again, WILL THEY!

 

[Spymaster]

ADX Florence keeps the inmates safe from other inmates (they never meet anyone else), they have a very hard time topping themselves, the punishment is extreme, almost like an oubliette, it is designed to break the mind, I'm cool with that.

With this in mind, I personally think this cunt getting slashed half to death with a tuna tin every year or two is probably as good a result as we can have it.

And those of us who advocate a swift clean death are barbaric!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And those of us who advocate a swift clean death are…

Hand wringing liberals.