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Sara Sharif murder: ‘sadist’ father and stepmother jailed for life

But there is doubt. Three people have been convicted - but only one actually killed her.
Yeah, I was wondering before the trial whether they might all get off with it if they all kept schtum and as a result the prosecution couldn't pin it on anyone in particular.

But nowadays there are joint enterprise type laws where if one person is guilt they all are, kind of thing. Although I think those are specific laws and I'm not sure if they were applied in this instance.

As a general principle, though, you can't necessarily get off with it in a scenario where there are several potential culprits and no confession and no one sobbing any of the others in.
 
No, whoever slashed this fucking cunt's face open deserves a knighthood. And he has 40 more years of looking over his shoulder to enjoy.
And what crime had the slasher committed to end up in prison alongside the murderer? What level of crime do you think should be absolvable by slashing another prisoner in the face?
 
And what crime had the slasher committed to end up in prison alongside the murderer? What level of crime do you think should be absolvable by slashing another prisoner in the face?

I don't now and don't really care. Sorry. this particular piece of shit deserves far more than a little slash to the face.
 
Before anyone has a go, I'm not saying I feel sorry for Sharif's dad. I'm just wary of making these guys out to be heroes because of the prisoner who murdered a paedophile and was praised for it...and he himself was in jail for raping and murdering an old woman.
Was this man from Merseyside?
 
Where are these swift clean deaths you speak of? Not much evidence of that in the good old USA anyway.

Oh the US is no model of excellence, for sure.

There are painless methods of killing people but the use of them in judicial executions has been hampered by other considerations. A big one is cost. A method developed by the euthanasia business and used for elective procedures in some Swiss clinics is the nitrogen chamber which is even said to provide a pleasant death experience. Very expensive though.

There’s been some debate as to how painless the guillotine was. France was the last country to use it judicially, and they last rolled a head in 1977, so there’s been no opportunity to scientifically evaluate the method since then. Another problem with it was said to be its affect on those who had to clean up afterwards. There’s no denying its swift and unequivocal nature though.

On balance, I’d probably favour the decisiveness and simplicity of the good old pistol shot to the back of the head. Swift and sure, and any pain would be no worse than a mini-migraine and extremely short lived, in the most literal sense of the term. The method has the added advantage of a 9mm pistol round only costing about two quid (probably even less when bought in bulk). The single gunshot was used in America for a while but eventually abandoned because not many people wanted to pull the trigger. Interesting that they have no shortage of people who are happy to strap someone into an electric chair but far fewer willing to shoot someone in the head. It's even more interesting that executioners have little problem with shooting people as part of a firing squad. It's doing it alone they don't like. Another consideration that made shooting unpopular was that the exit wounds often precluded open cask funerals without some challenging cosmetic work by undertakers. The prize for the most flamboyant use of gunfire has to go to Thailand who, until 2002, executed prisoners by machine gun.

Of course, all of this becomes academic when considered comparatively against the pain and suffering caused by long term incarceration, which is the only alternative proposed by the anti-CP fetishists whose opinions on the subject, as we can see from this thread, are often cruel and perverse.
 
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Oh the US is no model of excellence, for sure.

There are painless methods of killing people but the use of them in judicial executions has been hampered by other considerations. A big one is cost. A method developed by the euthanasia business and used for elective procedures in some Swiss clinics is the nitrogen chamber which is even said to provide a pleasant death experience. Very expensive though.

There’s been some debate as to how painless the guillotine was. France was the last country to use it judicially, and they last rolled a head in 1977, so there’s been no opportunity to scientifically evaluate the method since then. Another problem with it was said to be its affect on those who had to clean up afterwards. There’s no denying its swift and unequivocal nature though.

On balance, I’d probably favour the decisiveness and simplicity of the good old pistol shot to the back of the head. Swift and sure, and any pain would be no worse than a mini-migraine and extremely short lived, in the most literal sense of the term. The method has the added advantage of a 9mm pistol round only costing about two quid (probably even less when bought in bulk). The single gunshot was used in America for a while but eventually abandoned because not many people wanted to pull the trigger. Interesting that they have no shortage of people who are happy to strap someone into an electric chair but far fewer willing to shoot someone in the head. It's even more interesting that executioners have little problem with shooting people as part of a firing squad. It's doing it alone they don't like. Another consideration that made shooting unpopular was that the exit wounds often precluded open cask funerals without some challenging cosmetic work by undertakers. The prize for the most flamboyant use of gunfire has to go to Thailand who, until 2002, executed prisoners by machine gun.

Of course, all of this becomes academic when considered comparatively against the pain and suffering caused by long term incarceration, which is the only alternative proposed by the anti-CP fetishists whose opinions on the subject, as we can see from this thread, are often cruel and perverse.
Sure the most flamboyant prize would go to North Korea & the occasional use of anti air craft guns?
 
Sure the most flamboyant prize would go to North Korea & the occasional use of anti air craft guns?
Are we time limited on the search for flamboyance? The Empress Cixi of China, who only died in 1908, used to have people's arms and legs cut off and then bury them up to the neck in big plant pots.
 
Are we time limited on the search for flamboyance? The Empress Cixi of China, who only died in 1908, used to have people's arms and legs cut off and then bury them up to the neck in big plant pots.

Not really gunfire though is it? If we’re looking for cruel and unusual, scaphism is hard to beat.
 
Not really gunfire though is it? If we’re looking for cruel and unusual, scaphism is hard to beat.
Was it ever used? It seems an especially cruel way to kill someone, as does the garrote. Apropos of which Spain's last executions took place in 1974, not by garrote, very shortly before Franco died. It is now written into the constitution that executions are only permitted in certain circumstances. I can't remember what these are, and can't be bothered to look them up, but the possibility of judicial killing remains.
 
Sure the most flamboyant prize would go to North Korea & the occasional use of anti air craft guns?

That did actually cross my mind but I believe it was only once or twice, and wasn’t sure if it met the definition of flamboyance that I was thinking of. Psychotic seems more fitting.

‘Blowing from a gun’, widely practiced by both British and Portuguese colonisers, was a similarly deranged method.
 
It is now written into the constitution that executions are only permitted in certain circumstances. I can't remember what these are, and can't be bothered to look them up, but the possibility of judicial killing remains.

It would surprise me if there are still capital offences on the books. Most countries had archaic laws until relatively recently. You could famously be executed in the UK for piracy, arson in a dockyard, and treason, theoretically, as well as some military offences, but all that got formally abolished in the mid 90s as part of an EU directive, which I'd assume Spain would have been subject to as well.
 
I wonder how feelings about the death penalty are influenced by general feelings about death? I have never had any fear of death at all and don't quite understand why people do. The process of dying on the other hand does scare me as in almost all cases it is unpleasant and painful. And overall I'm just a little less bothered by death than most people.

So I'm pretty sure that if I was given a choice of life in prison or a quick death now, I would probably take the second option.

So I have some sympathy with Spy here, anyone seeing the death penalty as barbaric and locking someone up for the rest of their life as civilised needs to examine their position a bit.

I would also say that prison as a form a punishment is a product of capitalism, the removal of liberty as a form of punishment can only exist within a system where the vast majority are formally free. Mass incarceration is not a more civilised form of punishment, it's just the form it takes under a particular mode of production. The acceptance of it as right and just is an ideological product of that material reality.
 
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Maybe upgrade prisons (around the world) so that they aren't hellholes any longer and have the inmates treated with dignity. Obviously not this case, but there are millions imprisoned because they are impoverished and they didn't have a massive amount of choice or opportunity in life.
 
On balance, I’d probably favour the decisiveness and simplicity of the good old pistol shot to the back of the head. Swift and sure, and any pain would be no worse than a mini-migraine and extremely short lived, in the most literal sense of the term. The method has the added advantage of a 9mm pistol round only costing about two quid (probably even less when bought in bulk). The single gunshot was used in America for a while but eventually abandoned because not many people wanted to pull the trigger. Interesting that they have no shortage of people who are happy to strap someone into an electric chair but far fewer willing to shoot someone in the head.
You could connect the trigger mechanism via a string through a series of pulleys to fragile items sitting on a mantel, then simply release a cat and wait for the bang.
 
You could connect the trigger mechanism via a string through a series of pulleys to fragile items sitting on a mantel, then simply release a cat and wait for the bang.

The logical solution to the problem is simply to get other death-condemned prisoners to do it.

Offer them a bottle of whisky or a steak dinner and you'd have no shortage of volunteers, and any resulting guilt or mental issues will soon be resolved anyway. Neat and tidy.
 
The logical solution to the problem is simply to get other death-condemned prisoners to do it.

Offer them a bottle of whisky or a steak dinner and you'd have no shortage of volunteers, and any resulting guilt or mental issues will soon be resolved anyway. Neat and tidy.
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Maybe make it into a multiplayer game... Call of Duty - Death Row.
 
Sorry - wasn't meaning to insult you in person. Just a generalisation. If I see a story breaking on Twitter I know it won't be on the 'reputable' newspaper sites for quite a long while after it appears on something like the Mail, so yes - horror of horrors, I will give them my click. They'll also usually give you far more of the detail that the Guardian's lawyers no doubt quibble about for hours. I don't read the Love Island shit etc on there. I don't see any need to apologise for having a broad spectrum of news sources. I even read the the fucking NY Post from time to time...
Perhaps, but even after all that, the question still remains: why the fuck would you read the Daily Mai
 
The logical solution to the problem is simply to get other death-condemned prisoners to do it.

Offer them a bottle of whisky or a steak dinner and you'd have no shortage of volunteers, and any resulting guilt or mental issues will soon be resolved anyway. Neat and tidy.

Give a convicted murderer a loaded gun? Not sure you’ve thought this through. What’s to stop them shooting the guard? Let me guess the guard also has a gun and would shoot the prisoner?

Anyway you could probably get some computer controlled mechanism to deliver the shot.
 
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