Salman Rushdie attacked on stage in New York

[two sheds]

It's pretty obvious that the answers are going to be wrong, because religions (and other belief systems) arrive at them before the questions have been asked. The chances of their being right under those circumstances are so minuscule as to be statistically impossible.

"The Right Question Is Usually More Important Than the Right Answer" - Plato​

which I only really started to understand once I'd tried and failed to repair things.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

well that's not exactly true. belief systems like anarchism or marxism are more likely to be correct because they encourage critical thinking, as opposed to most religions which don't

Belief systems as opposed to religions don't necessarily demand total acceptance. You might, for example, think that anarchism is basically correct while being uncertain as to the efficacy of a revolutionary general strike, or whatever. Religions tend to be all or nothing. There's plenty of examples to the contrary, of course, Marxist dictatorships in particular, but religions normally start off with faith or revelation and you can't argue with any of that unless you start another one to replace it.

 

[8ball]

well that's not exactly true. belief systems like anarchism or marxism are more likely to be correct because they encourage critical thinking, as opposed to most religions which don't

 

[ouirdeaux]

"The Right Question Is Usually More Important Than the Right Answer" - Plato

My right question is: where did Plato say that? If the answer is anywhere other than the internet, I'll eat my hat, even if I have to buy one for the purpose.

 

[Pickman's model]

My right question is: where did Plato say that? If the answer is anywhere other than the internet, I'll eat my hat, even if I have to buy one for the purpose.

i like toffler's version: the right question is usually more important than the right answer to the wrong question

 

[8ball]

My right question is: where did Plato say that? If the answer is anywhere other than the internet, I'll eat my hat, even if I have to buy one for the purpose.

I reckon I could locate it in a book of quotes on a coffee table somewhere.

 

[Pickman's model]

I reckon I could locate it in a book of quotes on a coffee table somewhere.

i'm not so sure

 

[two sheds]

My right question is: where did Plato say that? If the answer is anywhere other than the internet, I'll eat my hat, even if I have to buy one for the purpose.

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[8ball]

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Yeah, we know it’s on the internet.

 

[ouirdeaux]

That page is a doozy, even by internet standards.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

My right question is: where did Plato say that?

Athens?

 

[8ball]

That page is a doozy, even by internet standards.

I liked the one about children staring at “little boxes with fires within”.

 

[two sheds]

Yeah, we know it’s on the internet.

Well I checked the Oxford and Everyman books of quotations and it's not in either of them. But there again that's only me saying that on the internet.

 

[8ball]

Well I checked the Oxford and Everyman books of quotations and it's not in either of them. But there again that's only me saying that on the internet.

Some of the quotes on that page are easily attributable to other people, so I wouldn’t use that particular one.

Bad and inaccurate quoting is abundant in reputable academia as much as everywhere else. Makes it bloody hard to get it right all of the time.

 

[kabbes]

If it’s a quote by Plato, it should be easy to attribute it to a specific piece of his writings, or the writings of a contemporary. It’s not like modern people know quotes by Plato because they overheard him say them, or were present at his TED talk or something.

If you can’t track down the original source of Plato saying it, I’m going to suggest that means Plato didn’t say it.

 

[JimW]

It's on one of the Japanese bootlegs.

 

[two sheds]

^^ this

I'd read through my copy of The Republic but "life's too short to learn German"

 

[platinumsage]

I just searched all 3940 pages of the PDF that is the top result for Googling "plato complete works pdf" and it's not in there.

 

[two sheds]

you've not got the Japanese bootleg versions though have you? Eh? Eh?

 

[tim]

Norman Tebbit called him a troublemaker

And, so sees Rushdie as a kindred spirit.

 

[extra dry]

Athens?

yes he stood right there next to the sun dial at 4.20

 

[tim]

In the US, he's probably looking for a deal. Prosecutors are generally happy to do that because it lowers costs and lessens their workload.

I would imagine he's looking forward to his day in court and an opportunity to propagandise. Given the effort he put into trying to kill Rushdie, plea bargaining would be letting himself and the side down.

 

[rutabowa]

Bad and inaccurate quoting is abundant in reputable academia as much as everywhere else.

Probably not quite as abundant as everywhere else

 

[A380]

I’m glad we sold the Iranians Pacer trains now.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m glad we sold the Iranians Pacer trains now.

there's no call for that

 

[two sheds]

Probably not quite as abundant as everywhere else

Not as abundant as here, for example

 

[tim]

Not as abundant as here, for example

As most Urban75 posters spend an inordinate amount of time citing and then castigating other Urban 75 posters , I would imagine that the misquoting here is far from abundant. We really aren't that bothered about what outsiders might have said

 

[8ball]

Probably not quite as abundant as everywhere else

I mean in the sense of grabbing a quote and using it as opposed to citations etc.

 

[8ball]

i'm not so sure

I’d put money on it, though I’d want expenses thrown in.

 

[8ball]

I just searched all 3940 pages of the PDF that is the top result for Googling "plato complete works pdf" and it's not in there.

Have you tried many established quotes as a control?