Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[May Kasahara]

Funny really given his whole schtik was about being against kids being groomed.

That's only when other people do it. Those people. You know the ones I mean.

 

[8ball]

Idk what to make of the theory that he moved into the conspiracist guru market as a cunning long term plan to insulate himself for when this day inevitably rolled around. Makes perfect sense logically and have always thought he was thoroughly cynical and self motivated, but dunno. Maybe it was just win win, the uncritical adulation that sort of audience offers is a reward in itself as well as a sort of insurance plan.

It’s just a mirror-image conspiracy theory for conspiracy theorists who don’t happen to like Brand imo.

 

[klang]

Idk what to make of the theory that he moved into the conspiracist guru market as a cunning long term plan to insulate himself for when this day inevitably rolled around. Makes perfect sense logically and have always thought he was thoroughly cynical and self motivated, but dunno. Maybe it was just win win, the uncritical adulation that sort of audience offers is a reward in itself as well as a sort of insurance plan.

I'm inclined to think that his loonery and ct stuff are separate issues to his sexual history. Sure, they are linked somehow, but I kind of doubt he was preparing for the future with his ramblings.
I think that he's more the sort who thinks what he has done wasn't really that bad, semi-consensual, etc, and hoped it wouldn't come back to bite him.
The ct stuff seems to be more of an opportunistic thing, a career move, a money maker, and he probably believes this sort of stuff to an extend. Plenty of others do.

 

[bimble]

most popular comment on his youtube denial vid is this.

That is a seriously valuable audience isnt it, the one he's crafted from years of 'dont trust the media' stuff.

 

[ouirdeaux]

I don't see it as likely to be planned either. Conspiracy theories are attractive to narcissists, because in a sense their entire life is a mini conspiracy theory.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I've long thought that he moved into the consporaloony world because he saw how lucrative it was, and how easy it is to manipulate the vulnerable and gullible.

 

[inva]

Idk what to make of the theory that he moved into the conspiracist guru market as a cunning long term plan to insulate himself for when this day inevitably rolled around. Makes perfect sense logically and have always thought he was thoroughly cynical and self motivated, but dunno. Maybe it was just win win, the uncritical adulation that sort of audience offers is a reward in itself as well as a sort of insurance plan.

He has a long association with the conspiracy scene, think the cunning plan theory is nonsense to be honest.

 

[Poot]

He has a long association with the conspiracy scene, think the cunning plan theory is nonsense to be honest.

Yeah, I agree. I think this is what doubling down looks like. Dig your heels in and go "But look at THOSE people!" a lot. Keep doing it and suddenly you're Just Asking Questions.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Ben Shapiro really is one of the worst cunts ever.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He has a long association with the conspiracy scene, think the cunning plan theory is nonsense to be honest.

But still it seems terribly convenient to place himself as the victim using this narrative.

 

[editor]

*Updated the title for clarity and thread moved to UK news.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Similarly Savile hiding behind all his charity work.

 

[Ax^]

hmm was Matt Geitz not on Bens show at one point. got a history with fella who like little girls

 

[inva]

But still it seems terribly convenient to place himself as the victim using this narrative.

Well yeah, of course it's self serving but then it always has been self serving, it's not as though it's only now that the image of fearless truth telling guru battling dark forces pays off for him.

 

[moochedit]

Just had a bbc news alert that the beeb have removed some of his stuff from iplayer that "falls below public expectations" but was apparently ok before

 

[krtek a houby]

Just had a bbc news alert that the beeb have removed some of his stuff from iplayer that "falls below public expectations" but was apparently ok before

In fairness, and afaik, departments that look after such content (and other) have been scaled down (made redundant) over the last decade. Think twitter jobs disappearing since Musk, but on a slower pace.

 

[8ball]

Just had a bbc news alert that the beeb have removed some of his stuff from iplayer that "falls below public expectations" but was apparently ok before

How much of the rest of it are they going to remove?

 

[moochedit]

How much of the rest of it are they going to remove?

Good question but i don't know the awnser

 

[gosub]

Good question but i don't know the awnser

still, good news about the chocolate ration

 

[Cid]

Idk what to make of the theory that he moved into the conspiracist guru market as a cunning long term plan to insulate himself for when this day inevitably rolled around. Makes perfect sense logically and have always thought he was thoroughly cynical and self motivated, but dunno. Maybe it was just win win, the uncritical adulation that sort of audience offers is a reward in itself as well as a sort of insurance plan.

I don't think he has that kind of foresight, and you can't maintain output like his without having some measure of true belief.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

I've often thought some sort of staggered age of consent may be a better way to do things. A way of giving young people the freedom to do what they want with people of a similar age without the likes of Brand getting involved. 16 year olds being able to consent but it being illegal for 30 year olds to have sex with them for example. It may be unworkable in practice.

Works in Germany*; age of consent is 14, so long as the other partner is under 18. If the partner is 21 or under they may be tried as a juvenile or an adult, depends on the evidence and the age gap and the nature of the complaint. The idea is to offer the protection of the law to under 18s if they feel they need of it.

 

[8ball]

Snippet of Reddit discussion about Brand and the allegations:

"Normally I'd say he is a cunt but he is lower than a cunt he is a fucking ankle."

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The ct stuff seems to be more of an opportunistic thing, a career move, a money maker, and he probably believes this sort of stuff to an extend. Plenty of others do.

I think with him particularly there's a feedback loop thing going on more than it being a pre-planned career move - he's obviously a total gobshite who chucks any old stuff out there, but he's found the more he goes down that route the more he gets attention so he keeps down that path. I guess he probably believes it to a degree at the point where he says it but would have no problem moving on to believing something else - FWIW in my speculative opinion it's a similar relationship to 'truth' that Boris Johnson has.

 

[moochedit]

I think with him particularly there's a feedback loop thing going on more than it being a pre-planned career move - he's obviously a total gobshite who chucks any old stuff out there, but he's found the more he goes down that route the more he gets attention so he keeps down that path. I guess he probably believes it to a degree at the point where he says it but would have no problem moving on to believing something else - FWIW in my speculative opinion it's a similar relationship to 'truth' that Boris Johnson has.

Yeah think that applies to trump as well.

 

[Brainaddict]

If John Campbell, pandemic good guy commentator, can get sucked down the vaccination conspiracy wormhole due to the adulation you get from doing it, then for someone like Russell Brand it's easier than blinking. He just found his natural level.

 

[elbows]

I see the BBC had a superficial look at 'noughties culture' which at least makes the point that this time stuff cant be brushed away with excuses about how very many decades ago the 1970s etc were:

Russell Brand: Resurfaced clips give a sobering reminder of noughties culture

Brand was at the centre of a messy celebrity scene that now feels like the Cool Britannia party gone sour.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NoXion]

It’s just a mirror-image conspiracy theory for conspiracy theorists who don’t happen to like Brand imo.

Don't you need at least two people in order to form a conspiracy? Brand deciding by himself to pursue the tinfoil crowd as a means of cover might be argued to be implausible, but I'd hardly call it a conspiracy unless the term is robbed of its actual meaning.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

YouTube have put out a statement:

YouTube said in a statement: 'If a creator's off-platform behaviour harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community. This decision applies to all channels that may be owned or operated by Russell Brand.'

I’m not sure how simply demonetising the channels achieves this as opposed to removing all his content and banning him from the platform.

 

[pbsmooth]

I think with him particularly there's a feedback loop thing going on more than it being a pre-planned career move - he's obviously a total gobshite who chucks any old stuff out there, but he's found the more he goes down that route the more he gets attention so he keeps down that path. I guess he probably believes it to a degree at the point where he says it but would have no problem moving on to believing something else - FWIW in my speculative opinion it's a similar relationship to 'truth' that Boris Johnson has.

yeah, basically Brand, like Johnson, would tell you up was down if he thought it would make him rich and famous.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I think with him particularly there's a feedback loop thing going on more than it being a pre-planned career move - he's obviously a total gobshite who chucks any old stuff out there, but he's found the more he goes down that route the more he gets attention so he keeps down that path. I guess he probably believes it to a degree at the point where he says it but would have no problem moving on to believing something else - FWIW in my speculative opinion it's a similar relationship to 'truth' that Boris Johnson has.

This.