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Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'
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bimble
floofy
Ok. But.. The problem with this hypergamy idea is that it is for some reason supposed to apply only to women, like only women have preferences whilst men will take whatever they can get.
(actually maybe you've got a point there).
As far as I can tell, it's nonsense though.
Look at this for example, these very sad graphs are from Dataclysm, the book by the mathematician who made the OkCupid dating website.
This shows basically that All Men, given the choice, want a 21 year old woman. That's just not going to work out very well for 80% of women, is it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
and you've no criticism of the methodology or conclusions?Ok. But.. The problem with this hypergamy idea is that it is for some reason supposed to apply only to women, like only women have preferences whilst men will take whatever they can get.
(actually maybe you've got a point there).
As far as I can tell, it's nonsense though.
Look at this for example, these very sad graphs are from Dataclysm, the book by the mathematician who made the OkCupid dating website.
This shows basically that All Men, given the choice, want a 21 year old woman. That's just not going to work out very well for 80% of women, is it.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not just all men now but all men ever i suppose.Ok. But.. The problem with this hypergamy idea is that it is for some reason supposed to apply only to women, like only women have preferences whilst men will take whatever they can get.
(actually maybe you've got a point there).
As far as I can tell, it's nonsense though.
Look at this for example, these very sad graphs are from Dataclysm, the book by the mathematician who made the OkCupid dating website.
This shows basically that All Men, given the choice, want a 21 year old woman. That's just not going to work out very well for 80% of women, is it.
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Ok. But.. The problem with this hypergamy idea is that it is for some reason supposed to apply only to women, like only women have preferences whilst men will take whatever they can get.
(actually maybe you've got a point there).
As far as I can tell, it's nonsense though.
Look at this for example, these very sad graphs are from Dataclysm, the book by the mathematician who made the OkCupid dating website.
This shows basically that All Men, given the choice, want a 21 year old woman. That's just not going to work out very well for 80% of women, is it.
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Key phrase highlighted. Most men don't have lots of women throwng themselves at them, whereas most women get interest from lots of men.
bimble
floofy
I recommend the book. It's a good one, if thoroughly depressing. The data above is very different from the data he got from analysing what people say, in public, that they find attractive, But that's what makes it a good book.
The books subtitle is 'who we are are*
* when we think no one is looking
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bimble
floofy
I know. And I think maybe that's the main thing that has to change for Roosh & Co to lose their audience.
Of course he's got a point. Men are far less discriminating than women when it comes to the choice of sexual partner. I'd estimate that 95% of heterosexual men would have sex with 95% of women--with one important qualification, which you note here:
It's true that men discriminate more than women with regard to age (in general, obviously there are exceptions etc). Although I don't usually give much credence to sociobiology, it does seem true that heterosexual men discriminate in favor of women of child-bearing age. One doesn't have to be a genius to see why that particular preference might have arisen.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I suspect it's more than that.
I think it's something to do with identity formation.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
bimble
floofy
Is sociobiology politically beyond the pale ?
bimble
floofy
Yep. A guy this morning just stood there in the street and said 'hello', or something. I've only ever done that to a man once, ever, and I was drunk, and it led to a ten year on and off relationship
. . There's the real problem that Roosh feeds off. . maybe.butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes.
bimble
floofy
righto, was just checking.
bimble
floofy
Because that would mean that capitalism is not entirely and singularly to blame, for everything ?
Capitalism isn't an ultimate cause though is it? It's just a consequence of human nature.
bimble
floofy
Human nature = some sort of sociobiology, right? So that's not ok.
I don't know, ask butchersapron .
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Isn't that circular? Isn't human nature made by human relations?
bimble
floofy
Is giant squid nature made by giant squid relations? Probably. But.. what?Isn't that circular? Isn't human nature made by human relations?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's a two-way, rather than a one-way street.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"Human nature" is a product of culture, not a product of nature. It's a euphemism for the normative social behaviour in a particular place, at a particular time. What is termed "human nature" in one locale, may not be catgorised similarly elsewhere.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Isn't that circular? Isn't human nature made by human relations?
Made, re-made, re-modelled at specific times, in specific places.
bimble
floofy
Gosh. Impressive. The whole nature / nurture debate, and vast fields of recent research, all laid to rest in one fell sentence. Excellent, that's all sorted then.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It doesn't put the debate to bed at all, it merely points up that "nature" is a bit of a moveable feast, rather than a fixed quality.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
You need a control earth to prove that true. Do you have one?
bimble
floofy
Yep, women definitely come out as the realistic ones there. Like we're the grownups in this situation..
But that won't change the minds of people who are shouting about 'hypergamy', and how we women all want the same few top raking blokes, leaving the others all sad and discarded etc.
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