Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[bimble]

Yes: I'm sorry phildwyer. It wasn't fair at all what I did there, I know you've never said you're cross about it, whilst Roosh is.
If I personally find the whole 'hypergamy' theory which you're peddling along with Roosh deeply flawed & misogynistic that's a separate issue.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes: I'm sorry phildwyer. It wasn't fair at all what I did there, I know you've never said you're cross about it, whilst Roosh is.

No problem. Thanks for that, it's courageous of you.

 

[bimble]

And that's under patriarchal conditions. It seems reasonable to suppose that this hypergamous tendency among women is far more pronounced today, when women are free to select their own sexual partners on the basis of their own sexual desire.

So I'm confirmed in my opinion that, these days (approximately) 80% of women are chasing (approximately) 20% of men. Hence the Rise of the Beta.

Why?
That makes no sense, does it? Unless you think that all the women kept in harems and as some high status bloke's 7th wife really liked that, that was an expression of their 'hyeprgamy'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

BJs on tap plus housekeeper. And unlike their mum won't make them sit in the basement eating tins of cold ravioli.

I hate to think of what sort of psycho-sexual connections he has made between cold ravioli and his mum.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What's the difference between a drag artist and a white person with dreadlocks?

Besides dress sense?

 

[phildwyer]

Why?
That makes no sense, does it? Unless you think that all the women kept in harems and as some high status bloke's 7th wife really liked that, that was an expression of their 'hyeprgamy'.

Ah yes, I see your point. I wasn't considering the degree of compulsion involved in the 80/40 breakdown, which must often have been very great.

But then again, it often was not. My guess would be that in many societies women preferred to be the seventh wife of an aristocrat to being the only wife of a peasant. But we'll never know for sure, because women's preferences were rarely recorded. We can only know what they did, which was to reproduce with a relatively small number of men.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, my thinking of it was along the lines of MRA being a form of entertainment/performance.

Performance usually has a determined outcome, though. WTF do MRAs get out of it, except to deepen their self-hate and general misanthropy?

 

[phildwyer]

WTF do MRAs get out of it, except to deepen their self-hate and general misanthropy?

Money I guess. Not much of it though, to judge by Roosh's living conditions.

 

[cesare]

Performance usually has a determined outcome, though. WTF do MRAs get out of it, except to deepen their self-hate and general misanthropy?

Confirmation bias.

 

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Actually the category "gay" doesn't really exist in the Muslim world.

That doesn't mean that men don't have sex with each other, for they most certainly do--far more than in the West. But there is no concept of homosexuality as identity, there are no "gay men." This was also the situation in the West until the twentieth century.

In fact, homosexuality as identity only emerged during the Oscar Wilde trial. That's also the point at which male homosexuality becomes identified with effeminacy in the popular imagination. Oscar has much to answer for.

hmmmmm.

 

[8den]

Actually the category "gay" doesn't really exist in the Muslim world.

That doesn't mean that men don't have sex with each other, for they most certainly do--far more than in the West. But there is no concept of homosexuality as identity, there are no "gay men." This was also the situation in the West until the twentieth century.

In fact, homosexuality as identity only emerged during the Oscar Wilde trial. That's also the point at which male homosexuality becomes identified with effeminacy in the popular imagination. Oscar has much to answer for.

Oh sure blame the Irishman. Racialist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Confirmation bias.

To me, that doesn't seem like a great return on such a heavy emotional investment. It'd be interesting - although probably impossible in practical terms - to compare the suicide rate for MRAs, and the suicide rate for males generally.

 

[bimble]

Confirmation bias.

Like any hate group, MRAs / PUAs probably get a lot of comfort out of banding together and discussing the enemy, even if its only online, over their tinned ravioli.

 

[phildwyer]

And then we get to the MRA/PUA interpretation of it and it makes even less sense - do they have nostalgia for earlier times where a large proportion of men are sent off to die in wars or enslaved or whatever and so don't get to have kids, while a smaller number of rich men procreate freely (and treat women like property in the process) or are they complaining that some men are still seen as expendable and/or aren't getting enough sex??

AFAICT they're complaining that they, personally, don't get any sex. Or at least that's what their followers are complaining about.

It's easy to laugh at such men, and I've spent the last couple of days doing exactly that. But when you stop and think about it, it's a fairly serious drawback in one's life never to have any sex. I can totally see why it might drive them loopy. But I don't think there's anything to be done about it, and I think the situation today is far preferable to conditions under fully-fledged patriarchy. The Betas are necessary casualties of the sexual revolution--sort of like the Kronstadt sailors viewed from a Leninist perspective.

 

[cesare]

To me, that doesn't seem like a great return on such a heavy emotional investment. It'd be interesting - although probably impossible in practical terms - to compare the suicide rate for MRAs, and the suicide rate for males generally.

Or how many go on killing sprees.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Or how many go on killing sprees.

A fair question.

 

[ViolentPanda]

"the vast majority of men are hideous creeps."

Don't be so hard on yourself, phil.

I think he nicked that line from Steven Patrick Morrissey.

 

[bimble]

AFAICT they're complaining that they, personally, don't get any sex. Or at least that's what their followers are complaining about.

It's easy to laugh at such men, and I've spent the last couple of days doing exactly that. But when you stop and think about it, it's a fairly serious drawback in one's life never to have any sex. I can totally see why it might drive them loopy. But I don't think there's anything to be done about it, and I think the situation today is far preferable to conditions under fully-fledged patriarchy. The Betas are necessary casualties of the sexual revolution--sort of like the Kronstadt sailors viewed from a Leninist perspective.

So.. just to clarify:
You actually think that women's 'hypergamy' is to blame for these men getting no sex & going loopy, is that right? Because of how 80% of us are now free to chase 20% of men or something?

 

[phildwyer]

I think he nicked that line from Steven Patrick Morrissey.

I didn't, but Morrissey was right. I think anyone who has sex with a man needs their head examined.

 

[phildwyer]

So.. just to clarify:
You actually think that women's 'hypergamy' is to blame for these men getting no sex & going loopy, is that right? Because 80% of us are now free to chase that same 20%?

It's not a matter of "blame." But I do think that female hypergamy is the reason why a significant percentage of today's men are "incels" (I can't get over this terminology, it's a whole new language). That's true by definition innit. It's a tautology.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's not about marriage ceremonies its about procreation; the DNA stuff is a pretty good indicator that the history of humans to a large extent involves some men having access to lots of sex whilst others got none at all. Which is exactly what people like Dwyer & Roosh, seem so irate about, as if it's something new that feminism / the modern world has done them, when in fact the opposite is true.

Surely all DNA points to is fertility, rather than being a social indicator that some blokes got more than others?

 

[frogwoman]

I think in the past there was more to do if you were a guy who couldn't find a wife, you could sail the seven seas or join the priesthood or something. There aren't really these sorts of opportunities today for the kind of men who become MRAs.

 

[frogwoman]

Like imagine Roosh or someone on a whaling ship like in Moby Dick or something. In that sort of situation it's actually a disadvantage to have a wife and kids whereas the same can't be said for sitting around in your underpants and so on.

 

[irf520]

So.. just to clarify:
You actually think that women's 'hypergamy' is to blame for these men getting no sex & going loopy, is that right? Because of how 80% of us are now free to chase 20% of men or something?

You yourself admitted that most women can get loads of offers via online dating or by sitting on a bar stool. Not surprisingly, they respond to the one(s) they regard as the best. Yes, different people have different tastes, but I'm going to hazard a guess that the same minority of men are regarded as most attractive by a majority of women.

 

[bimble]

I think in the past there was more to do if you were a guy who couldn't find a wife, you could sail the seven seas or join the priesthood or something. There aren't really these sorts of opportunities today for the kind of men who become MRAs.

Yep, All those second & third sons, who went off to join the army or the monastery, or to rule the empire.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Money I guess. Not much of it though, to judge by Roosh's living conditions.

and his eating habits.

((((tinned ravioli))))

 

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Actually the category "gay" doesn't really exist in the Muslim world.

That doesn't mean that men don't have sex with each other, for they most certainly do--far more than in the West. But there is no concept of homosexuality as identity, there are no "gay men." This was also the situation in the West until the twentieth century.

In fact, homosexuality as identity only emerged during the Oscar Wilde trial. That's also the point at which male homosexuality becomes identified with effeminacy in the popular imagination. Oscar has much to answer for.

i'd rather blame labouchere

 

[frogwoman]

Mind you imagine being trapped on a whaling ship with Roosh for months on end. Or going off to discover Australia or something with him banging on about chimpanzees and hypergamy and shit the whole time.

 

[toggle]

I didn't, but Morrissey was right. I think anyone who has sex with a man needs their head examined.

dwyer, the radfem?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think in the past there was more to do if you were a guy who couldn't find a wife, you could sail the seven seas or join the priesthood or something. There aren't really these sorts of opportunities today for the kind of men who become MRAs.

Some might claim that joining the priesthood gave you access to sex.