Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Errrr, nope, you've lost mefela fan said:
Oh god, are you about to start banging on about those fucking mirrors again?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Wriggle-tastic!fela fan said:
fela fan said:
Editor: So how does that site make the Vanity Fair article wrong or innacurate, please?
Fela Fan: Not saying.
So, basically nothing Fela says can be believed because he won't back it up. Personally I reckon Fela lives with his mum in Basingstoke, and has never been to Thailand.
Just sits there all day looking at the glossy pictures...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
jæd said:
Is this your first time with fela?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
jæd said:
He does.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Ooooh, please dofela fan said:
jæd said:Editor: So how does that site make the Vanity Fair article wrong or innacurate, please?
Fela Fan: Not saying.
So, basically nothing Fela says can be believed because he won't back it up. Personally I reckon Fela lives with his mum in Basingstoke, and has never been to Thailand.
Just sits there all day looking at the glossy pictures...
Drama queen seems not wrong to me. Take it somewhere else mate.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
fela fan said:
Go on...
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
But what evidence have we got for this?butchersapron said:
Is it a fact?
It's all perception you know....
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Beesonthewhatnow
Bobthelost
8den
editor
I have read the NORAD transcripts numerous times. A famous part surfaces here.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qEoSiozKyPI
Editor, perhaps you should write to Fisk and tell him he is danger of being sucked into a cult too. Maybe he spends all day driveling about joooz, lasers and mini nukes. But somehow I doubt it. The anomolies are there plentyfold, and are perfectly worthy of questioning. People who accept the accounts of the establishment (which include conjecture e.g pancake theory, and error of fact, e.g pilots who are still alive) just because they come from the establishment are just as ludicrous and illogical as they accuse skeptics of being. They are often more certain in their supposition than the skeptics.
One should be very slow to feel certain on this issue. There are grounds for a much fuller and public enquirey (the government refused to give many documents, one of the cheif official story authors was a republican insider, Bush and Cheney REFUSED to testify on oath, in public or seperately)
Some skeptics do jump to conclusions too quick for sure, and a very few have some very whacky ideas. Both groups are not helpful in their behaviour. But to suggest that skepticism per se is out of order and damaging to broader political causes is actually pretty reactionary IMHO.
You believe the US government if you want to though. Just dont expect us to swallow everything they say. Skeptic ranks include many perfectly sensible, highly educated and expert people. It is arrogant to write them all off. That doesnt make them automatically right because the truth is very hard to discern.
Bobthelost
8den
editor
I have read the NORAD transcripts numerous times. A famous part surfaces here.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qEoSiozKyPI
Editor, perhaps you should write to Fisk and tell him he is danger of being sucked into a cult too. Maybe he spends all day driveling about joooz, lasers and mini nukes. But somehow I doubt it. The anomolies are there plentyfold, and are perfectly worthy of questioning. People who accept the accounts of the establishment (which include conjecture e.g pancake theory, and error of fact, e.g pilots who are still alive) just because they come from the establishment are just as ludicrous and illogical as they accuse skeptics of being. They are often more certain in their supposition than the skeptics.
One should be very slow to feel certain on this issue. There are grounds for a much fuller and public enquirey (the government refused to give many documents, one of the cheif official story authors was a republican insider, Bush and Cheney REFUSED to testify on oath, in public or seperately)
Some skeptics do jump to conclusions too quick for sure, and a very few have some very whacky ideas. Both groups are not helpful in their behaviour. But to suggest that skepticism per se is out of order and damaging to broader political causes is actually pretty reactionary IMHO.
You believe the US government if you want to though. Just dont expect us to swallow everything they say. Skeptic ranks include many perfectly sensible, highly educated and expert people. It is arrogant to write them all off. That doesnt make them automatically right because the truth is very hard to discern.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
taffboy gwyrdd said:
Griffin is talking fucking bullshit. He's refering to operating procedures for airplanes entering american airspace from foreign territory.
Look taffy. NORAD was set up to protect America from the external threat of Soviet or Chinese nuclear bombers. Weirdly it's not concerned with threat of a Soviet bomber taking off from Chicago or Baltimore. Y'know didn't think it would happen.
80 minutes is the best intercept time the USAF have had for a non responsive plane flying in their airspace. That plane was flying at a level course and speed with its transponder on
What you think the USAF had alert fighters sitting all over the western and eastern seaboard, with weapons and engines hot, and pilots in the cockpit, ready to sprint off, to ever plane.
Griffin is a lying bullshit artist and you're buying into it.
Pancake theory has been rejected by the NIST, and aside from a incorrect BBC report on the pilot's status, which they've then corrected no one has proved the pilots are alive.
Hey here's one for conspiraloons,if the pilots are alive, why hasn't these 911 nutcases tracked em down?
Bollocks you call yourself a skeptic do you?
Come here.
http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64
This a forum of amateur skeptics, we've dissected pretty much every 911 conspiracy theory and proven that they are just wrong.
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
taffboy gwyrdd: It's alright, you don't have to read up on it, know what you're talking about or indeed be able to reason logically. However if you post about it here then those who have, do and can will point out, quite possibly in a rather testy manner, why you're wrong.
If you want to learn or be corrected about your misunderstandings then by all means continue to post on these threads. If you want a baying horde of sceptics who'll take your word at face value and not examine things critically then i'd check out the prisonplanet forums.
If you want to learn or be corrected about your misunderstandings then by all means continue to post on these threads. If you want a baying horde of sceptics who'll take your word at face value and not examine things critically then i'd check out the prisonplanet forums.
editor
hiraethified
I don't blindly believe what the US govt says. Given their past record, that would be an incredibly stupid and naive thing to do, and I'm a little offended that you would suggest that I'm that gullible.taffboy gwyrdd said:
But - unlike you - I find it rather hard to ignore the overwhelming body of independent evidence and analysis that broadly supports the 'official line' of what happened on 9/11, and I've yet to see any credible site come up with compelling evidence of a cover up or massive conspiracy.
And, boy oh boy, I've certainly spent enough time reading those fucking dreadful, ill-researched, context-stripping, quote-twisting, reality-bending 'truthseeker' sites.
brixtonvilla
should be Oslovilla, really
editor said:
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, maaan...
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
HA!fela fan said:
Personally i'd love to learn the wondrous techniques fela uses to gain his vast wealth of knowledge, who else is with me?
Bob_the_lost said:
Come to thailand and i'll help you for free mate.
But it's not knowledge that is important. So all the techniques to gain knowledge are of little value really. I mean, what are you actually going to do with a head full of knowledge?
So a hint mate: until you get your arse over here, try looking elsewhere rather than the acquisition of knowledge...
editor
hiraethified
My 'strategy' has been to read and investigate as many sources as possible - even ones authored by loons on moronic websites - and form an educated opinion after listening to a wide range of arguments.fela fan said:
Feel free to explain and share the wonders of your, "extra reading strategies" because I haven't the slightest clue what you're on about.
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