Rejecting vaccination - "growing public health time bomb", NHS Chief warns

[gentlegreen]

I notice now there's a growing overlap with the anti-glyphosate movement..


MIT quack Stephanie Seneff.is cashing in


seneff Vaccines - Google Search

 

[Sasaferrato]

I notice now there's a growing the overlap with the anti-glyphosate movement..


MIT quack Stephanie Seneff.is cashing in


seneff Vaccines - Google Search

What she says is quite compelling on a superficial level.

I note her unemphasised use of, 'Well, I think so', dropped in the conversational flow.

Proof? Where is the proof? There isn't any.

Fuck me, you would get shot down on Urban for spouting such unverified crap, never mind in the scientific community.

 

[gentlegreen]

What she says is quite compelling on a superficial level.

I note her unemphasised use of, 'Well, I think so', dropped in the conversational flow.

Proof? Where is the proof? There isn't any.

Fuck me, you would get shot down on Urban for spouting such unverified crap, never mind in the scientific community.

I'm amazed she holds onto her tenure at MIT (albeit in a completely unrelated field) - though she probably makes a fortune from the autism gravy train.

 

[AverageJoe]

I havent read all the thread so sorry if this has already been covered.

This is Jr Joe. He's 8 and has something called FSGS, which is a rare form of kidney cancer (for all intents and purposes)

As such, he has no immune syndrome, which means he cant have live vaccines like MMR.

What should we do with him? Cast him out? I'm not so sure. Anyway, enjoy your hyberbole. We are designed to evolve and adapt.

Ooh. That a really big pic. Hope it doesnt put you off your food

 

[gentlegreen]

This perfectly illustrates why all the other children should be vaccinated.

 

[crossthebreeze]

The whole point of herd immunity is to protect people who can't be immunised for actual medical reasons or who are particularly vulnerable to disease (or too young/old for the vaccine).

 

[LDC]

I havent read all the thread so sorry if this has already been covered.

This is Jr Joe. He's 8 and has something called FSGS, which is a rare form of kidney cancer (for all intents and purposes)

As such, he has no immune syndrome, which means he cant have live vaccines like MMR.

What should we do with him? Cast him out? I'm not so sure. Anyway, enjoy your hyberbole. We are designed to evolve and adapt.

Ooh. That a really big pic. Hope it doesnt put you off your food

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What utter fucking nonsense point are you trying to make with that post? Nobody has suggested that people that can't medically be vaccinated are forced to be.

 

[scifisam]

AverageJoe, think you must have misread - nobody at all is suggesting kids who can't be vaccinated should be forced to be. Even the ones who think kids should be taken away from their parents have specifically said that doesn't apply to kids with medical exceptions.

I don't agree with the idea of forced vaccinations, and I think the discussion here has shown why actually it is quite different to barring access to schools and nurseries - the parents still get to make their choice, still get to keep their kid, they just don't get to endanger other kids as much (they still will somewhat by going to the park etc but there wouldn't be the prolonged contact you get at school). In some ways that's no different to not being allowed to send your kid to nursery or school once they actually have chickenpox spots - it's just an extension of that, which has been common practice for pretty much forever.

But still, everyone here is aware that some kids can't be vaccinated and doesn't want to cast them out or do anything to them at all except protect them.

 

[Dogsauce]

Given the links between far-right populism and anti-vax bollocks, is there any evidence that anti-science stuff is also being introduced or promoted by various bots/trolls? It would be one way to damage a society, not just physically but also in undermining faith in authority/experts. Seems to be part of the same thing.

 

[AverageJoe]

I did say I hadnt read all the posts on the thread. But carry on.

 

[Poot]

He is a fine boy AverageJoe and he shouldn't have to have anything to do with vaccines because the rest of us have a duty to get the herd immunity sorted out. That's what ought to happen.

 

[pinkmonkey]

Given the links between far-right populism and anti-vax bollocks, is there any evidence that anti-science stuff is also being introduced or promoted by various bots/trolls? It would be one way to damage a society, not just physically but also in undermining faith in authority/experts. Seems to be part of the same thing.

I'm sure I read something along those lines... Russia trolls 'spreading vaccine discord'

 

[8ball]

He is a fine boy AverageJoe and he shouldn't have to have anything to do with vaccines because the rest of us have a duty to get the herd immunity sorted out. That's what ought to happen.

It shouldn’t really need saying, but protecting the ones who can’t be vaccinated is, as has been mentioned, a big part of the point.

I don’t agree with compulsion before exhausting all other avenues, but it’s really important that we don’t allow these diseases to return and pick off the blamelessly unvaccinated.

 

[scifisam]

I did say I hadnt read all the posts on the thread. But carry on.

Well then, maybe don't respond to posts that haven't been posted?

I understand you're worried about your lovely boy (hope he's doing well ) but there aren't widespread calls to mandate vaccinations for kids who can't be vaccinated. I'm sure there are some arseholes out there who say that because you can find a small number of people saying literally anything online, but it's not a common point of view. When people talk about mandating vaccinations you don't need to worry, they really are not talking about your son. Except in the sense that he'd be more protected by others being vaccinated, that is.

 

[equationgirl]

Plus it's not just children who can't be vaccinated that are protected by herd immunity, it's adults too. Everyone who can be vaccinated should be vaccinated as their duty to those that can't be.

 

[gentlegreen]

Indeed
I have two work colleagues who have the flu jab every year because of their wives' cancer.

 

[LDC]

Apologies if I was harsh AverageJoe and if that's your kid I didn't click, and can imagine this is emotive for you if so, but nobody has suggested vaccinating kids who can't cope with it medically, and as has been pointed out, the example you gave is exactly why it's important that everyone that can be is vaccinated.

And yeah, maybe you should have read the thread first.

 

[joustmaster]

I drank too many g&ts last night and can't be bothered to skim the thread. Do we have any resident antivax people? Or have we frightened them all off?

 

[William of Walworth]

I drank too many g&ts last night and can't be bothered to skim the thread. Do we have any resident antivax people? Or have we frightened them all off?

They seem to have gone. They must lack the herd immunity that "we" have "all" developed

 

[Gromit]

Just pop this here...

Trump says measles shots 'so important'

 

[SpookyFrank]

I havent read all the thread so sorry if this has already been covered.

This is Jr Joe. He's 8 and has something called FSGS, which is a rare form of kidney cancer (for all intents and purposes)

As such, he has no immune syndrome, which means he cant have live vaccines like MMR.

What should we do with him? Cast him out? I'm not so sure. Anyway, enjoy your hyberbole. We are designed to evolve and adapt.

I have an autoimmune condition which causes me to react badly to live vaccines. One such reaction made me sicker than I've ever been before or since. As a result I am entirely dependant on people around me getting vaccinated so there's nobody to catch things from.

I really don't think anyone has suggested mandatory vaccination against specific medical advice.

e2a: And cute kid and all, but people posting big pictures of kids and saying DO YOU WANT THIS CHILD TO SUFFER is exactly the kind of nonsense beloved of the anti vax clowns who are actually putting your son and many others at risk.

 

[AverageJoe]

He's not that cute mate.

 

[gentlegreen]

Just pop this here...

Trump says measles shots 'so important'

I believe it depends who he's speaking to ....

 

[NoXion]

What really boils my noggin are the fuckwits claiming that vaccines are part of some dastardly money-making scheme by Big Pharma, when in fact NOT vaccinating results in far more medical costs being accrued:

After unvaccinated Oregon boy contracted tetanus, it took 2 months, $800,000 to save him

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

What really boils my noggin are the fuckwits claiming that vaccines are part of some dastardly money-making scheme by Big Pharma, when in fact NOT vaccinating results in far more medical costs being accrued:

After unvaccinated Oregon boy contracted tetanus, it took 2 months, $800,000 to save him

worst part of that story:
"Notably, physicians counseled the boy’s family to bring the child up to date on all of his vaccinations, as well as receive a follow-up dose of the DTaP vaccine.

His family said no."

 

[cupid_stunt]

worst part of that story:
"Notably, physicians counseled the boy’s family to bring the child up to date on all of his vaccinations, as well as receive a follow-up dose of the DTaP vaccine.

His family said no."

Indeed, parents like that have no rights to risk the lives of their kids, the state should take control to protect the kids from the nutjobs.

 

[NoXion]

If having their children fall grievously ill to the point of requiring intensive hospital treatment isn't enough to change the minds of vaccine denialist parents, then I dread to think how many people will actually have to die before people are reminded why vaccines were developed in the first place.

My concern with mandatory vaccinations has nothing to do with peoples' rights to be dangerous fuckwits - as far as I am concerned there is no such right. Rather I worry that a heavy-handed approach will provoke a backlash that does more harm in the long run. But I do appreciate that something should really be done about this appalling situation, preferably before people start dying en masse like they did in the bad old days.

 

[High Voltage]

Indeed, parents like that have no rights to their kids, the state should take control to protect the kids from the nutjobs.

FIFY

 

[scifisam]

Indeed, parents like that have no rights to risk the lives of their kids, the state should take control to protect the kids from the nutjobs.

In this particular case I'd agree. Not following up on the vaccine for an illness that almost killed their son shows a callous lack of regard for his wellbeing. Farm kids can be fairly tough and often have good immune systems but they can't just fight back against tetanus.

 

[equationgirl]

The follow-up vaccine dose should have been given before the child was discharged from hospital, given that he could have died from not having the vaccine in the first place.

The parents' judgement was clearly suspect given that the hospital bill of $800,000 did not deter them from refusing the second dose of the tetanus vaccine, that should have been enough for the hospital or social services to step in and act in loco parentic for that child, and any other children the parents had.

How can the parents be acting in the best interests of the child if they allow this to happen?