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So is that site basically taking the intervention etc watchlist and the infection rates data and then adding the word school all over the place without there actually being any school-specific data involved?

I mean just like things like hospital outbreaks, there is a 2 way relationship between outbreaks in the wider communities those institutions serve and outbreaks in the institutions themselves. So those numbers are not utterly irrelevant to the schools concerned, but neither do they look in any way specific to schools so I'm really not sure about the angle that website takes.
 
So is that site basically taking the intervention etc watchlist and the infection rates data and then adding the word school all over the place without there actually being any school-specific data involved?

I mean just like things like hospital outbreaks, there is a 2 way relationship between outbreaks in the wider communities those institutions serve and outbreaks in the institutions themselves. So those numbers are not utterly irrelevant to the schools concerned, but neither do they look in any way specific to schools so I'm really not sure about the angle that website takes.


It says as much really -

This card shows two local COVID rates. Neither is the rate IN the school - they are the rates in areas AROUND the school - they are a general guide only. Which of these areas is most relevant depends on the school's catchment. The rate may also reflect other local circumstances, for example increases in age groups which aren't of school age, an outbreak in a particular factory. In most of the country rates are less than 20 cases per hundred thousand. But in those and in all other areas it is important that we all work to get case numbers coming down. Even more local information is available here.

It's only updated weekly, too, on Fridays.

This is the email it was sent in, not much to disagree with in it (take your point though) -


As part of our campaign to keep schools and communities safe, the National Education Union (NEU) is launching a new website.

www.schoolcovidmap.org.uk
will feature accurate, up-to-date information about the Covid-19 rate in the areas around your school or college.

Click here to check the coronavirus rate in your local area.

The website will provide campaign steps that you can take to support our efforts to make schools and colleges safer, including a simple action to email your MP.



The website will show the number of Covid-19 cases and whether they are increasing or decreasing. It will also show the ‘watchlist’ status of the local authority area and link to any local restrictions that are in place.

In much of the country, the map will offer reassurance that cases are quite low. Where cases are higher, it will reinforce public health messaging and support schools in encouraging parents and other visitors to maintain social distancing and hygiene.

It will also outline what we think the Government needs to do to keep our schools as safe as possible.

We are asking the Government for:



An immediate increase in the availability of testing for staff and pupils.

Many are stuck at home, waiting for a test or results, hampering efforts to control the virus or get back to the classroom if results come back negative. We want asymptomatic testing of staff and older pupils.

‘Nightingale’ classrooms

The taking over of public buildings to allow expanded space for classrooms, smaller bubbles and better social distancing. Bigger class sizes lead to bigger transmission networks and our class sizes are amongst the largest in Europe. The Government should employ both supply and newly-qualified teachers who are yet to find work to reduce class sizes and allow learning to continue.

A Plan B for learning

A route map supporting blended and remote learning, guaranteeing access to broadband and laptops so no child is left behind.

Protection for vulnerable educators

Vulnerable staff should be supported to work from home, especially in areas where cases are highest.

GCSE and A levels that fairly assess young people's attainment

Exams cannot cover all the current syllabus because students have missed months of school attendance. Children should be tested on what they have learned, not on what they haven’t. We want content assessed in GCSE and A-level exams to be reduced, some topics optional to be made optional and a robust national system of moderated, centre-assessed grades in case of a second spike.

A guarantee that school health and safety costs will be reimbursed

The cost of implementing Covid-secure schools is leaving schools short. Safety must not be compromised because of financial constraints. All Covid-19-related costs, including staffing and health and safety costs, must be fully funded by Government.

The Government must act now to stop the spread of coronavirus in our schools and communities.

Will you join our campaign and email your MP now to support our call for safer schools?

Please join with us to allow schools and colleges to remain safe and open.
 
Got sent home by the Head, because I'm vulnerable and she's nice and did a risk assessment on me last week where we agreed I'd go home if multiple suspected cases. Two staff feeling (and looking) shit have gone for tests plus one kid in my form who spent registration collapsed with his head on the desk. Asked him if he'd had a late night, he said no, just completely fucked. He came back from Turkey on Tuesday.
 
Got sent home by the Head, because I'm vulnerable and she's nice and did a risk assessment on me last week where we agreed I'd go home if multiple suspected cases. Two staff feeling (and looking) shit have gone for tests plus one kid in my form who spent registration collapsed with his head on the desk. Asked him if he'd had a late night, he said no, just completely fucked. He came back from Turkey on Tuesday.

That'll be the same Turkey added to the quarantine list today and roundly condemned for deliberately under reporting cases.
 
We had a member of staff diagnosed earlier this week and another one sent home to self-isolate. Almost everyone has colds.

Other than that we're doing really well and I just hope we get to half-term. I'm finding my older students, in particular, are quite anxious about their exams and our new year 7s are suffering with some anxiety from the whole experience (as are staff) but I think we are in the best possible place given all of this.
 
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We had a member of staff diagnosed earlier this week and another one sent home to self-isolate. Almost everyone has colds.

Other than that we're doing really well and I just hope we get to half-term. I'm finding my older students, in particular, are quite anxious about their exams and our new year 7s are suffering with some anxiety from the whole experience (as are staff) but I think we are in the best possible place given all of this.
According to the latest Independent Sage report, although we're increasing we're nowhere near what it was like at peak. So think we'll make it to half term.
 
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According to the latest Independent Safe report, although we're increasing we're nowhere near what it was like at peak. So think we'll make it to half term.

I think we will too - we're still on Tier 1 - but I know some other local schools have already moved to Tier 2.
 
We've got one Yr 8 student who's tested positive and 56 of their close contacts self-isolating. No adults deemed to have come within 2 metres of them, so the 56 are all students who either sat within a 2 metre radius of them during any classes, plus any other kids they mixed with during breaks, which seems like a large enough number that they have taken it seriously (along with it also illustrating how high even just 'close contacts' can get to within a school setting).

My daughter got a negative result back on Weds eve after developing a cough, which went along with general cold symptoms and a bad sore throat etc, which there seems to be a fair bit of about - but no positive cases in her school yet.

Another local secondary has just had one staff member and one student test positive, too - think it's a total of six (known) schools with cases here now - one primary, four secondaries (out of a total of ten) and one sixth form college, but no actual school outbreaks/clusters, so far.
 
So is that site basically taking the intervention etc watchlist and the infection rates data and then adding the word school all over the place without there actually being any school-specific data involved?

There's also a university version.
 
First confirmed case in my kids'high school. Two kids in my middle boy's drama group (of five, including him) have been told to self isolate.
 
First confirmed case in my kids'high school. Two kids in my middle boy's drama group (of five, including him) have been told to self isolate.
It’s really noticeable how much worse it is in Leeds. My sons go to two different high schools, but in both they have been having several cases a week right from the get go. My youngest sons year has had 22 cases in the last 4 weeks. I sent an email last week saying the school need to step up and organise proper teaching whilst the kids are at home. Putting a few videos to watch and a worksheet in a folder is not good enough. The private schools are getting zoom lessons, and entire school days mapped out for them. State schools are an absolute fucking mess.
 
It’s really noticeable how much worse it is in Leeds. My sons go to two different high schools, but in both they have been having several cases a week right from the get go. My youngest sons year has had 22 cases in the last 4 weeks. I sent an email last week saying the school need to step up and organise proper teaching whilst the kids are at home. Putting a few videos to watch and a worksheet in a folder is not good enough. The private schools are getting zoom lessons, and entire school days mapped out for them. State schools are an absolute fucking mess.
I think it varies wildly from school to school tbf - Martha is off this week 'cause some kid in one of her classes tested positive, and the online teaching provision is pretty good - they're streaming most of her classes and she seems to be able to get on with it easily enough. She's at a pretty average comp.
 
I think it varies wildly from school to school tbf - Martha is off this week 'cause some kid in one of her classes tested positive, and the online teaching provision is pretty good - they're streaming most of her classes and she seems to be able to get on with it easily enough. She's at a pretty average comp.
This is exactly what I mean. Why is it that some schools are providing the above, and others (like Billy’s) fuck all? It’s not okay.

And absolutely will compare to private schools, because why not? This isn’t a resource issue, it’s a leadership issue.
 
You think your girls school is better resourced than my boys?
I've no idea tbh, but there's a lot of factors that could impact on how well a school can cope with this kind of stuff - how tech savvy the teaching and support staff are, how old and well maintained the IT infrastructure in the school is, etc - which can differ dramatically between average comps. Sometimes even the most heroic leadership can't turn a poorly funded crumbling high school into some whizzy hi-tech education delivery system.
 
This is exactly what I mean. Why is it that some schools are providing the above, and others (like Billy’s) fuck all? It’s not okay.

And absolutely will compare to private schools, because why not? This isn’t a resource issue, it’s a leadership issue.
How naive are you? According to a study at UCL in 2018, On average the spend per pupil in a private UK school compared to a state one is possibly the highest in the world at a ratio of 3:1
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“UK private primaries charge, on average, £12,234 per pupil, compared with £4,800 of funding in state schools, according to data compiled by Professor Green.

In secondaries, that figure rises to £14,466 versus £6,200, and £15,333 versus £5,000 in sixth form.

As a result, Professor Green said the resources ratio between British private schools and state schools is about 3 to 1 – which he suspects is the largest in the world.”
Of course it’s a resource issue . Like private medicine if we could afford it over the NHS
 
You think your girls school is better resourced than my boys?

Money (and ALL the insistence) taken up in ensuring schools are 'safe' to fully open, with additional budgets for that being false (no actual growth in budgets to provide them/budgets swallowed up in the meantime), schools in areas with greater covid rates resulting in a greater loss of teachers well enough to teach, too, available space in individual schools (social distancing), extra cleaning, staff spending way more time on keeping children separated, staggered breaks etc etc. It's not schools at fault and certainly not schools working in deprived areas, in comparison to private schools (I mean that was never, ever the case). It's schools left to their own devices, as they have been for years.
 
My daughter's school has now had a confirmed case. Not in her 'bubble' but every teacher who taught in that bubble is now off for two weeks. The odd but is that those teachers would have also taught other bubbles, but somehow this doesn't count.
My biggest worry is that whilst they a doing a pretty decent job in the school, as soon as the kids leave the gates it's business as usual. Huge groups huddled together making their way home (I'm often out going in the opposite direction at kicking out time, and apart from a few isolated student, nobody is paying any attention to social distancing at all.
 
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