SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I'm familiar with this stuff. It's why I get so piss-boilingly furious with parents idling their cars outside the school when they come to pick up their kids. One of the reasons anyway.
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I'm familiar with this stuff. It's why I get so piss-boilingly furious with parents idling their cars outside the school when they come to pick up their kids. One of the reasons anyway.
The problem there is particulates not c02
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It's both. And more besides, here is a paper on carbon monoxide outside schools:
Impact of school traffic on outdoor carbon monoxide levels
This paper aims to determine the relationship between carbon monoxide levels with vehicles, including types and motions of vehicles in a school traffi…
Still looking for some research I saw a while ago about CO2 levels outside schools, will post it here if I find it.
Covid in schools is so rife, I doubt any adjustments will help. There's just so many people in close contact and all the kids get up close at playtime and break their bubbles without masks before and after school. As I work in secondary, loads break bubbles to hang out and snog their girlfriends/boyfriends after school.
It's just impossible, I can't remember any time our school didn't have covid cases and that's the ones we knew about.
It's just impossible, I can't remember any time our school didn't have covid cases and that's the ones we knew about.
I think the advice for classrooms is 6 air changes per hour, before transmission tends to zero.
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elbows
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Smell those priorities!
Unions criticise English schools ‘more normal year’ campaign as naive
As students are urged to have twice-weekly Covid tests, unions say further measures are needed to reassure parents
Thora
Differently Ethical
I think they only have to isolate until/if they get negative PCR results.
Same happening over here. It's crazy.
So a vaccinated teacher gets covid and has been sat with other vaccinated staff over the past week...
None are now counted as close contacts. If they become symptomatic they're to stay away and get tested. But they wont be deemed close contacts as they're vaccinated.
It is appallingly stupid.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
With cases at their current levels half of schools would be shut again within a fortnight of opening if the isolation policy was the same as it was in the summer term.
Not that this 'don't bother isolating or even informing contacts in schools' policy is in any way sane or acceptable. But there isn't an acceptable policy available at this point, now that the ball has been dropped yet again. I don't even know if we're in the third wave or the fourth wave right now.
No, I'm a teacher who sadly doesn't get paid for any days my children have to isolate after me, alex.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
500 quid a day for 'attendance advisers'. 500 quid a day is about 5 times what I make as an early career teacher.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Do some testing, carry on wiping surfaces, and at least pay lip service to ventilation. These things arent entirely meaningless but I doubt they are enough on their own, especially if the ventilation thing isnt actually done properly.
elbows
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The big unknown for me at this point is that attitude local health teams will have to large school outbreaks. The removal of various self-isolation rules, what counts as a close contact etc are not good, but those changes dont provide a full guide as to what authorities will actually do when faced with high numbers at particular schools in the months ahead. I've seen at least one story about a school in Scotland being forced to shut already, and I dont know how much of that to expect in England. We know that such steps are not a good fit for the current government approach, but that doesnt mean authorities will be able to resist taking such steps when local situations cry out for such responses.
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SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It was having too many staff isolating that was forcing schools to close in June/July, rather than numbers of students absent. In theory we were supposed to be providing stuff for the isolating kids to do at home as well as teaching the kids who were still in but in reality the kids at home got either nothing or some pointless busy work, while this kids in class got similarly pointless stuff to do because actually teaching half a class meant you'd either have to teach the same stuff again next week or let half the class miss out on the content altogether. This was absurd, but still an acceptable situation for the powers that be. Having too few staff on site to even provide a basic level of supervision, that's not an acceptable situation. I don't actually know what the new rules are (wouldn't be surprised if schools hadn't been officially told yet) but I'm sure they'll have been rigged to exclude as many teachers and staff as possible from having to isolate as close contacts. My other bet is that these rule changes will not have any basis in science, logic or even basic common sense.
Schools are supposed to present kids with a model of sensible, adult behaviour. That is not happening. Kids are spending their days in a place that has clearly gone batshit insane and then being relentlessly gaslighted about it. I've even caught myself doing it. When some kid has asked why they need a mask in an empty corridor but not in a packed classroom I made some excuse about people making difficult compromises, everyone trying really hard to make sure kids could stay in school, many complex factors that are hard to get your head round, blah blah blah. Didn't address the substance of the kid's question at all, because how could I? Not without saying, 'the people who decide these things don't give a shit about your wellbeing or mine, but for the sake of their careers they need to be able to say that schools are open and never mind if those schools are actually functioning as schools, if half the kids are home isolating, or any other level of absurdity.'
Dunno if any of that made any sense. I'm angry and scared and I don't know how many more times I can go through all this, or participate in dragging innocent kids through it.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It makes sense. Especially since I remember being a child and learning about the priorities and absurdities of authorities via the experience of listening to what the school authorities said and what they did in response to various challenges. And kids can be really good at picking up on such things and probing or exploiting weaknesses, contradictions and bullshit. And cynicism, fear, anger and skepticism of teachers will rub off on children, it will not go unnoticed.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Kids in Devon and Cornwall will have to wear masks again.
www.theguardian.com
Still, tourism is good for the economy right?
Masks to be worn in some south-west England schools amid Covid rise
Rule for communal areas in secondary schools and colleges is part of extra efforts in region
Still, tourism is good for the economy right?
Tourism is good for the business and property owners for sure.Kids in Devon and Cornwall will have to wear masks again.
Masks to be worn in some south-west England schools amid Covid rise
Rule for communal areas in secondary schools and colleges is part of extra efforts in region
Still, tourism is good for the economy right?
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
It's going to be carnage in England isn't it. I sent an email to my daughter's school asking what their policy is now and haven't had an answer.
College has students back next week and we are "returning to pre-Covid working arrangements". Face coverings a personal choice (with "support" for people who want to wear them, i.e. stopping short of saying you can't). No more bubbles, "encouraging" of frequent hand washing, no requirement to track and trace. Increased cleaning regime still in place.
College has students back next week and we are "returning to pre-Covid working arrangements". Face coverings a personal choice (with "support" for people who want to wear them, i.e. stopping short of saying you can't). No more bubbles, "encouraging" of frequent hand washing, no requirement to track and trace. Increased cleaning regime still in place.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Out of interest, how is the "support" defined?
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
"Where staff or learners wish to continue to wear face coverings, we will be supporting this and also, we would ask everyone to respect all others personal space if they wish to continue their own form of social distancing"
That's it on face coverings
That's it on face coverings
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
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