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Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry

All you bitches put your hands in the air and wave them like you just don't care
You should have never trusted Hollywood.
 
spanglechick said:
I think that optimism is understandable if you haven't spent a lifetime painfully aware that pretty much every woman who ever lived for the entire history of at least western society, has been subject to this shit over and over again.

What i see happening (it's happening already) is that people will embrace the narrative that its just rich people in powerful positions. Sleazy celebrities and sportsmen, writers and politicos. By "othering" the "monsters" they can pretend it isnt endemic. Another case gets exposed? Well, what do you expect from a Tory MP or whatever...

And don't forget, people have a vested interest in this version of the story, because if the truth came out about normal people as it is about celebrities, there wouldn't be a family in the land that didn't have to deal with knowing that the favourite uncle/brother/son/father/cousin, or best man/flatmate/god parent or, lets face it, in lots of cases: themselves... has got form for being a bit of a sleazy shitbag, and treating women like crap behind closed doors. That's not going to be allowed. The patriarchy can sacrifice a few fellas, but wont allow the reality about men to be acknowledged.
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OK, I can get my head round most of that. But are you suggesting that none of the women who have told their stories via things like the metoo hashtag have any optimism that things can change? Thats not the only reason people joined in with that stuff, but its got to be part of it surely?
 
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mojo pixy said:
Hollywood's Culture of Rape and Sexual Assault
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yeah, that should cover it. I was reluctant to use the word revelations as that suggests this is something new, but if you've ever read Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon, or indeed any book about Hollywood, none of this should come as a surprise. Having said all that though, I AM surprised and shocked by these snowballing disclosures. Cognative dissonance of a sort, I suppose.
 
It's not just Hollywood of course - Louis CK's behaviour was outside of the Hollywood system and there are all these revelations coming out on either side of the pond of politicians raping and assaulting people less powerful than them
 
elbows said:
OK, I can get my head round most of that. But are you suggesting that none of the women who have told their stories via things like the metoo hashtag have any optimism that things can change? Thats not the only reason people joined in with that stuff, but its got to be part of it surely?
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No. Why would I try and speak for all women?
 
spanglechick said:
No. Why would I try and speak for all women?
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I didn't think you did really, I just got myself confused about the reason you said the optimism could be understandable. I will try and unconfuse myself with a slightly different question if thats ok. Do you think there are any other reasons for the optimism other than the one you gave already?
 
I fear that the reports from Hollywood and its fringes will obscure the horrors (like Roy Moore) about people who actually make policies and affect people's lives on a daily basis.

That's not to say the alleged abuses perpetrated by the showbiz crowd is any less reprehensible, btw.
 
Yossarian said:
Female comedians and co-workers say Louis CK either masturbated in front of them when they didn't want him to, asked if he could, or did so over the phone.

Louis C.K. Crossed a Line Into Sexual Misconduct, 5 Women Say

“I think the line gets crossed when you take all your clothes off and start masturbating,” Ms. Wolov said.
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Line crossed? Fucking line crossed?

I’ve never heard of this bloke but this is seriously fucking strange. At what point does someone who isn’t mentally ill or on serious drugs think it's ok to start wanking in front of non-consenting women?

Old pervs abusing their positions to sleep with young women is reprehensible but this is just fucking weird. I've always assumed that flashers and the like are mentally ill but presumably this bloke isn't considered to be so. Is this a thing?
 
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Spymaster said:
. Is this a thing?
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Sadly yes . One afternoon in a park ( foreign...as youd expect ) I shouted at a lowlife degenerate who was interfering with himself in the bushes in the direction of a lady friend of mine while we sat on the grass, happy as Larry he was . His reaction to my outrage was one of disgust that I was spoiling his moment . He actually took the huffs ...as if it was my behaviour that was unacceptable !!!. It would appear to be a penchant or peccadillo of some sort thats more widespread than you'd think among the sex people milieu .

If this so called comedian had any sense of decency he'd quietly retire to the study with a bottle of malt and a loaded revolver . instead there'll be some nauseating bleat about therapy and treatment , attempt at the sympathy card . By the numbers .
 
Casually Red said:
Sadly yes . One afternoon in a park ( foreign...as youd expect ) I shouted at a lowlife degenerate who was interfering with himself in the bushes in the direction of a lady friend of mine while we sat on the grass, happy as Larry he was . His reaction to my outrage was one of disgust that I was spoiling his moment . He actually took the huffs ...as if it was my behaviour that was unacceptable !!!. It would appear to be a penchant or peccadillo of some sort thats more widespread than you'd think among the sex people milieu .

If this so called comedian had any sense of decency he'd quietly retire to the study with a bottle of malt and a loaded revolver . instead there'll be some nauseating bleat about therapy and treatment , attempt at the sympathy card . By the numbers .
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'foreign, as you'd expect'???

If that's not racist I don't know what is. Post reported.
 
Wilf said:
There's also the conflation of an actual abusive sex offender in a park with the 'sex people' - CR's obsession with people who enjoy anything other than the most 'conventional' approach to sex.
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bet he thinks bum sex is immoral and disgusting. probably even baulks at doggy style and cunnilingus
 
I should imagine Louis CK and Spacey are completely finished now. Surely they can't have the gall to try and soldier on a career.
 
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I should imagine Louis CK and Spacey are completely finished now. Surely they can't have the gall to try and soldier on a career.
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well they've had the gall to behave so terribly in the first place. Imagine being so arrogant you think it's acceptable to take all your clothes off and start wanking at people who are just with you to have a chat and a drink.
 
Louis CK will no doubt be fine, I imagine a fair proportion of his stupid audience will enjoy the fact he wanks himself in front of women without consent. He may get a whole new tour out of these allegations.
 
Orang Utan said:
well they've had the gall to behave so terribly in the first place. Imagine being so arrogant you think it's acceptable to take all your clothes off and start wanking at people who are just with you to have a chat and a drink.
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Spacey has iirc said hes's seeking helpp/treatment or similar. So wether or not he's doing it for show, he knows he's fucked. Weinstein is probably hoping just to avoid a courtroom at this point tho
 
D'wards said:
I should imagine Louis CK and Spacey are completely finished now. Surely they can't have the gall to try and soldier on a career.
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You'd think so, especially in the case of Spacey. Having all your scenes cut from a completed movie and re-filmed with another actor seems pretty terminal career-wise. That said, people seem to forgive famous folk their indiscretions no matter how serious. Apart from not being able to return to the US, (alleged) drug-rapist Polanski's career doesn't seem to have been harmed one jot.
 
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The luis ck stuff is quite mind boggling.

He's worked with a lot of women and helped their careers. His comedy is also quite open about some of the issues that the allegations deal with. Probably not surprisingly. He's also done a lot of stuff around how men can be dicks and sexual harrassment in general. I'm also quite a big fan. Not necesarrily of his stand up, but his self produced show horace & pete is one of the best things I've ever seen.

He clearly has issues. Just as important though is the people that allowed his behaviour to go unaddressed, covered it up, and bullied people who tried to go public.

I don't know if it's possible. But if he dedicates the next few years to genuinely and honestly making amends then something might be able to be rescued from this. Although part of me would like the situation to be 'no you've caused this, you abused your power, and let people be bullied for your own advancement and therefore you can't be a high profile comedian anymore'.
 
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