Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry

[Orang Utan]

Spacey is already being airbrushed from history



(sorry)

what's the relevance of the Christopher Plummer meme?

 

[D'wards]

Louis CK will no doubt be fine, I imagine a fair proportion of his stupid audience will enjoy the fact he wanks himself in front of women without consent. He may get a whole new tour out of these allegations.

I'm not sure - he always seemed quite "right on" to me, and has done routines about how horrible men are to women; i think thats called hiding in plain sight.

He always struck me as pretty sanctimonious - i reckon his fans will turn on him

 

[Spymaster]

what's the relevance of the Christopher Plummer meme?

Spacey's scenes in a soon to be released film about Getty have been removed and are being re-shot with Plummer replacing him.

 

[D'wards]

It seems sex scandals ruin a career in a way that murder doesn't. Odd that.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

what's the relevance of the Christopher Plummer meme?

Ridley Scott is reshooting Spacey's scenes in his upcoming film, using Plummer instead. And the film is supposed to be out next month...

 

[danny la rouge]

I only know Louis CK from Parks and Recreation, but still managed to form the impression that he wasn't a nice person (even though his character was meant to be). I admit it was only a prejudicial vibe, and based on nothing at all.

I hear that someone else I had those vibes about (David Van Day) has been accused of sexual assault: Nicola McLean accuses David Van Day of sexual assault on I'm A Celeb | Metro News

 

[D'wards]

I hear that someone else I had those vibes about (David Van Day) has been accused of sexual assault: Nicola McLean accuses David Van Day of sexual assault on I'm A Celeb | Metro News

Pretty hard to be drummed out of the self-employed burger van business iirc

 

[mojo pixy]

i reckon his fans will turn on him

Some will for sure. But I reckon many won't - and the cynic in me suspects he'll even benefit from even greater loyalty and respect among the more toxic and misogynistic elements thereof.

 

[Plumdaff]

The Louis CK stuff was hiding in plain sight in a way I find mind boggling (towards myself as much as generally). He filmes an episode of his sitcom where his character forced himself on someone, and was making a film about a Woody Allen type. I mean, slight issues....

I hope that finally, belatedly, all of this might mean the end of Allen and Polanski's careers. How was Hollywood ever going to take sexual assault seriously when those two were still indulged?

eta. Spymaster I don't think forcing a woman to witness you masturbate is a mental health issue. I think it's a common form of sexual assault. It's about anger, humiliation and power, not mental disorder.

 

[Casual Observer]

At least one of the Louis CK stories, the one involving two female comedians, has been in the public realm for some time - certainly well before the Harvey Weinstein news went public.

 

[Orang Utan]

At least one of the Louis CK stories, the one involving two female comedians, has been in the public realm for some time - certainly well before the Harvey Weinstein news went public.

5 years ago, I think, on Gawker - I think there's a link upthread

 

[Orang Utan]

Louis C.K. Told Us Who He Was, But That Doesn’t Make It Better

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Apart from not being able to return to the US, (alleged) drug-rapist Polanski's career doesn't seem to have been harmed one jot.

No alleged about it: "As part of a plea bargain Polanski pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor"

He's hardly gonna sue anyone calling him a rapist.

 

[kalidarkone]

Sadly yes . One afternoon in a park ( foreign...as youd expect )

Wtf? I had the above behaviour directed at me in Finsbury Park, most mornings on my way to school. I was 11.

 

[spanglechick]

I didn't think you did really, I just got myself confused about the reason you said the optimism could be understandable. I will try and unconfuse myself with a slightly different question if thats ok. Do you think there are any other reasons for the optimism other than the one you gave already?

Realistically? I think there's a chance that those on the receiving end of male sexual entitlement will know they're not alone, and I hope they'll stop blaming themselves. Solidarity in victim hood.

Best realistic case scenario? Women get angrier, and keep this stuff on the agenda. Men who are famous and at risk of exposure in the media might think twice in future, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[elbows]

Thanks for the reply and sorry for not getting it the first time you explained.

Jessica Valenti thinks there will be a backlash and a storm against the accusations, because of history and also by pointing out things like the apologist shit of those who want to defend Roy Moore for political reasons, and insidious attempts to downplay Louis CK's behaviour.

Louis CK, Roy Moore and a glimpse into how #MeToo might end | Jessica Valenti

edit - I should have pointed out that words like could and might are in there, so I don't want to suggest she is 100% certain this is how it will end. Personally Im hoping for a backlash against any backlash of this kind, but I'm aware that my hope and optimism doesn't mean shit.

 

[spanglechick]

Thanks for the reply and sorry for not getting it the first time you explained.

Jessica Valenti thinks there will be a backlash and a storm against the accusations, because of history and also by pointing out things like the apologist shit of those who want to defend Roy Moore for political reasons, and insidious attempts to downplay Louis CK's behaviour.

Louis CK, Roy Moore and a glimpse into how #MeToo might end | Jessica Valenti

edit - I should have pointed out that words like could and might are in there, so I don't want to suggest she is 100% certain this is how it will end. Personally Im hoping for a backlash against any backlash of this kind, but I'm aware that my hope and optimism doesn't mean shit.

It's a depressing article, but seems likely to me.


After Bowie died, I remember saying that we, as a society, are unrealistically binary in our treatment of sexual offences. So many men have committed these offences, and then gone on to change (as Bowie did in several ways) and so many of the men in our society are involved in these acts at some level, that othering those who are caught as 'monsters' is neither helpful nor sustainable.

I want society at large to accept that male sexual entitlement and male violence are a massive, massive problem. One of the biggest we face. I want someone to point out that what terrorists, spree-killers, rapists and child abusers throughout history have had in common more often than any single other factor, is their gender. Not to say that women dont do these things, but when the perpetrators have this one thing so overwhelmingly in common, why the fuck are we asking questions about religion and class and access to fucking guns?

This is not to point the finger at men, by the way. Unless you've carried out acts of sexual entitlement or violence, none of this is your fault. It's our fault as a society. As a mattter of screaming urgency we need to look at the reason why maleness is common to these awful behaviours, and all of us need to work on changing what it means to be male.

 

[elbows]

US comedian Louis C.K. has admitted that sexual misconduct allegations made against him by five women are true.

He said he had "wielded power irresponsibly" and could hardly wrap his head around the "scope of hurt" he had caused them.

Louis C.K. 'regret' over misconduct

Story is still something of a placeholder on the BBC site at time of my writing this so don't know what will be added to it later.

 

[Cloo]

I
After Bowie died, I remember saying that we, as a society, are unrealistically binary in our treatment of sexual offences. So many men have committed these offences, and then gone on to change (as Bowie did in several ways) and so many of the men in our society are involved in these acts at some level, that othering those who are caught as 'monsters' is neither helpful nor sustainable.

I think this is a really important point I think I'd been trying to think of a good way to phrase it myself, and you've done it much better. As I think I've said here 'women' don't want every man who looked at a woman too long locked up, the press just wants to find ways to go on about how hysterical and overreacting women are and return to business as usual after a few scapegoats for the whole thing have gone down.

But women do accept that sometimes men, yes, even nice men, do disrespectful shitty things but that they can grow to better than that, and that's what we want to move towards. If the little things stop happening, or happen less, then maybe the worst will be revealed more easily and perhaps happen less. We need to move away from 'Look at all these so-called victims coming out of the woodwork, seeking attention' and more to 'Another one today, he really was/is a piece of work given so many people are coming forward'. We need to believe women and stop thinking of them as conniving and manipulative because surely that's their only weapon when they're not big and strong like men. We need to move towards the bloke harassing the girl being made to feel stupid, not his friend who intervenes and says 'Mate, leave it out, she's not interested'. And so on.

 

[elbows]

Louis C.K. 'regret' over misconduct

Since he has gone for a different form of 'apology' to what we have seen with others, ie skipping the denial bit, it will be interesting to see how many people use this to further downplay or 'forgive' his actions and try to push back against the tide.

 

[killer b]

The full Louis CK statement is here - it's like a bizarro Oscars acceptance speech.

 

[D'wards]

Louis is well trying to style it out. He'll do a show about it in time, I think.

 

[editor]

'foreign, as you'd expect'???

If that's not racist I don't know what is. Post reported.

And poster duly warned.

 

[equationgirl]

And poster duly warned.

Thank you.

 

[Orang Utan]

Why Louis CK’s Statement is Worse Than You Think
"His apology is not to the women. It is to his friends, his family, and most importantly himself. It’s a self serving statement of weasel words that masquerades as honesty, and because of who he is, and his brand, this will be enough for many of his fans. It shouldn’t be".

 

[imposs1904]

Louis is well trying to style it out. He'll do a show about it in time, I think.

Arguably he was the most respected and revered comedian in the States right now. That's all gone. His new film' s been pulled. FX and HBO has severed links with him with immediate effect. When he dies - even if it's forty years from now - it'll be mentioned in the first paragraph of his obituary. He's not coming back from this. Sure, he might still eventually do stand up again but he's never going to claw back a tenth of what he's lost from all this.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The front page of TheWrap website currently features forty-one links to stories about sex assault & abuse in the entertainment business

Entertainment news - The Wrap

 

[Lord Camomile]

I should imagine Louis CK and Spacey are completely finished now. Surely they can't have the gall to try and soldier on a career.

Mel Gibson's back.

 

[Orang Utan]

Arguably he was the most respected and revered comedian in the States right now. That's all gone. His new film' s been pulled. FX and HBO has severed links with him with immediate effect. When he dies - even if it's forty years from now - it'll be mentioned in the first paragraph of his obituary. He's not coming back from this. Sure, he might still eventually do stand up again but he's never going to claw back a tenth of what he's lost from all this.

I dunno. People want to forget.

 

[D'wards]

What the blummin hell?

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