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Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry

As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?
 
As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?
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As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?

It may end up having to be enough that (ideally) they change their behaviour based on all this (completely justified) furore and never do anything like that again. And if they do, then they will get taken down. Other than that, I'm not sure what could realistically actually happen.
 
As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?

I would like to mention a lesser commented on phenomenon that really happened post-Savile. Obviously the vast majority of the focus in that time was on 'celebrity offenders', including a search for large political scalps. But actually this stuff almost instantly cascaded down to levels that are not often of interest to the national press, and sometimes not even of interest to the local press. Victims of historical abuse all across the land spoke to people the know/family about what happened to them, and/or went to the police. All the stories of police etc services continuing to be overwhelmed by this stuff did not come, in most cases, from the famous, but from people at more local and personal levels of power who abused that power, and fresh hope that justice may be found. I know of at least one who spoke of this on these forums, and at least one in my real life as well.
 
I would like to mention a lesser commented on phenomenon that really happened post-Savile. Obviously the vast majority of the focus in that time was on 'celebrity offenders', including a search for large political scalps. But actually this stuff almost instantly cascaded down to levels that are not often of interest to the national press, and sometimes not even of interest to the local press. Victims of historical abuse all across the land spoke to people the know/family about what happened to them, and/or went to the police. All the stories of police etc services continuing to be overwhelmed by this stuff did not come, in most cases, from the famous, but from people at more local and personal levels of power who abused that power, and fresh hope that justice may be found. I know of at least one who spoke of this on these forums, and at least one in my real life as well.

I see that this may happen - but only in certain types of cases. Many of the cases coming to light now aren't things that would be of interest to the police or cps, but are no less upsetting for that.

I was - as the contemporary terminology has it - "stealthed" by a man. I found out because I got pregnant and had to have a termination. But in this country, what he did to me isn't illegal. He's now married with kids. If I start letting people know, all I'm going to get is social disapproval.

My example isn't rare. It's only one of several serious harms I have suffered in my lifetime as a result of male entitlement. Which leaves the actual scale of the problem unclear.

I think there's a risk that the story is becoming "entertainers and politicians are a group with a very high rate of damaging male behaviour", when the truth is that it's only the entertainers and politicians that sell newspapers, but actually this problem is endemic in all walks of life.
 
I think there's a risk that the story is becoming "entertainers and politicians are a group with a very high rate of damaging male behaviour", when the truth is that it's only the entertainers and politicians that sell newspapers, but actually this problem is endemic in all walks of life.

True when it comes to the front pages, less so if we factor in the other ways people are finding a voice at the moment, such as the metoo hashtag. Doesn't mean everything is going to turn out great and all victims are going to find justice and/or some kind of closure or hope, so I'm not trying to negate your point, but I do think broader momentum than just the celebrity stuff remains and stuff will change.
 
As the momentum gathers, justly exposing men of renown for their behaviour, I can't help feeling... what about me.? What about all me "me"s? What about all the people who were assaulted and harrased by people no one has ever heard of? When do those men get taken down?

I have a similar feeling. It's hard to articulate without feeling like I'm failing to empathise or act in solidarity. I've been listening to lots of Radio 4 recently and much of this coverage has become focused on Westminster. Particularly there was a woman who had been raped by a party colleague who said that she and others wanted an independent body that could investigate and offer support outside of the party for those in Parliament. My immediate reaction was "Yes, wait what?" as I just hadn't expected it to suddenly stop outside a particular building in west London.

The idea that women and others affected by sexual assault can rely on the police is so disingenuous it's disgusting. This is clearly also the case for those involved in Westminster politics, so why does it seem like a response takes care of only 'their' interests? Like statements from politicians about how shocking it is that these things are happening inside Parliament, rather than reflecting the broader society that they claim to represent and shape.
 
I was - as the contemporary terminology has it - "stealthed" by a man. I found out because I got pregnant and had to have a termination. But in this country, what he did to me isn't illegal. He's now married with kids. If I start letting people know, all I'm going to get is social disapproval.

Had never heard of the term or of anyone doing that, just why would you do that? Some people are fucking sick.

"If I start letting people know, all I'm going to get is social disapproval."

In the past I can see that, perhaps now not so?

eta; of course you don't ave to do anything. Still shocked and fuming about this stealthed shit, :mad:
 
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Definitely seems this is going to court

Manhattan DA prepping criminal case against Harvey Weinstein

Troubling though that someone knew to go after that actresses records on weinsteins behalf . Particularly in light of the previous blocking of a prosecution .

It is very troubling. In one way there is a positive to it, the fact that there were ex-Mossad agents on the tails of victims, prosecutions blocked at the highest level and now this, all serves to shut the faces of those who bleat about 'not coming forward sooner'.
 
Now Steven Seagal:
Portia de Rossi, Julianna Margulies accuse Steven Seagal of sexual harassment

Is Ross From Friends the only decent man left in Hollywood?

No, he ate the other 5 :(

More seriously, fuck Louis CK, his entire persona and writing centered on him being pathetic and a habitual masturbater, clearly hiding in plain sight under the guise of comedy.

And yes, the thread is morphing into something else, either a name change or an addition might be needed if there's not going to be a new thread for each fucked up revelation.
 
True when it comes to the front pages, less so if we factor in the other ways people are finding a voice at the moment, such as the metoo hashtag. Doesn't mean everything is going to turn out great and all victims are going to find justice and/or some kind of closure or hope, so I'm not trying to negate your point, but I do think broader momentum than just the celebrity stuff remains and stuff will change.
I think that optimism is understandable if you haven't spent a lifetime painfully aware that pretty much every woman who ever lived for the entire history of at least western society, has been subject to this shit over and over again.

What i see happening (it's happening already) is that people will embrace the narrative that its just rich people in powerful positions. Sleazy celebrities and sportsmen, writers and politicos. By "othering" the "monsters" they can pretend it isnt endemic. Another case gets exposed? Well, what do you expect from a Tory MP or whatever...

And don't forget, people have a vested interest in this version of the story, because if the truth came out about normal people as it is about celebrities, there wouldn't be a family in the land that didn't have to deal with knowing that the favourite uncle/brother/son/father/cousin, or best man/flatmate/god parent or, lets face it, in lots of cases: themselves... has got form for being a bit of a sleazy shitbag, and treating women like crap behind closed doors. That's not going to be allowed. The patriarchy can sacrifice a few fellas, but wont allow the reality about men to be acknowledged.
 
what should the title be changed to again? 'Ongoing revelations of sexual harrassment and rape in Hollywood'?
 
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