Rape allegations against Jimmy Tarbuck
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It's an allegation of child sex abuse. For the sake of accuracy.
Steel Icarus
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Well, arrested then bailed pending further enquiries over an allegation of sexual assault on a child in the late 70s.
Is anyone keeping track of how many people have actually been charged in Operation Yewtree (which Tarbuck is not a part of apparently)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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The yewtree investigations did lead to this though, the police from that passed info they uncovered on to north Yorkshire police.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Why "ridiculous"?
elbows
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There is nothing ridiculous about people who thought their complaints would not be taken seriously having had the courage to come forwards after the Savile stuff.
Charges will not always be easy to bring. Given the length of time that has passed it is not surprising that so far the confidence to proceed with prosecutions seems to often stem from multiple otherwise unconnected victims coming forwards with stories of abuse that share a similar pattern.
Charges will not always be easy to bring. Given the length of time that has passed it is not surprising that so far the confidence to proceed with prosecutions seems to often stem from multiple otherwise unconnected victims coming forwards with stories of abuse that share a similar pattern.
elbows
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Perhaps, but even then I dont find it ridiculous. There would need to be a hell of a lot more arrests for the proportion of stars of that era suspected of stuff to reach ridiculous levels. And as for being unhindered, even if we put to one side the large cultural, police etc factors at work back in the day, and the status of the perpetrators, it is sadly never surprising that lots of abuse victims dont approach the authorities at the time of the abuse. Especially if they are young.
elbows
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I still dont find it that surprising. Given the range of dubious cultural standards of the time, the nature of authority, and the fact that during this era we saw entertainment and the people in it catapulted from sometimes seedy touring circuits to a much bigger phenomenon via tv & radio, its not surprising at all. A much exaggerated version of what I'm trying to get at would be to imagine the shadowy corners of the carnival suddenly illuminated by bright tv lights. The ever-present sinister aspects of society that were previously lurking on a local, transient level, suddenly turned into a more perpetual, gargantuan national or international phenomenon.
If you think the current numbers involved are bad, imagine how many more it would have been if so many people from that era were not already long dead.
As for musicals, rock & pop stars being exposed, I tend to expect this group to be underrepresented in this belated form of justice. This will be in quite some part due to a range of additional complications brought about by the dynamics of the groupie phenomenon. Victims may have a more complex set of feelings tugging against eachother in their minds, eg may be less willing to think of themselves as victims in a clearcut manner, or more likely to still have respect for the perpetrators. It is incredibly hard to talk about all of this sensibly without saying some things that are in some way dodgy, but I still have to mention it. And of course there may well be many examples that are not affected by these issues at all, but they mostly havent come to light yet.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
I feel sorry for poor old Lisa
I know. So many people can't spell her name correctly.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
So, the Yew Tree crowd includes Tarbie, Jim Davidson, Bill Roache, Jimmy Saville - all Tory celeb endorsers. Wonder whether their political links will be explored - this is a fairly small social world these people inhabit. (edit: also inhabited by Paul Daniels, Peter Stringfellow, Bruce Forsyth - not that I'm accusing them of anything - other than in the case of Stringfellow who is known to exploit women for personal profit)
As I've said - we need a national register for Tories - they're usually up to no good somewhere along the line.
As I've said - we need a national register for Tories - they're usually up to no good somewhere along the line.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Good point. There's the obvious and maybe unnecessary point that abuse is abuse and there is no hierarchy of abuse - and that it all comes out of power relations. That's true full stop (something I'm certain you'd agree with). However it's important to still get into how cultures of abuse constitute themselves and how victims feel about what happened. There's something different about the way someone might have been lured in by some godawful seaside special 70s sleb to how they might have been abused in some other setting - whether that be their own family or some other setting where they might have thought they were attending a gig as an 'adult' (even if they were underage). It's different becuase we need to understand how it happened - and still happens. But it's all still abuse and the perp has no get out or mitigation.
Seems a bit tasteless to be speculating how history will record this era, but there certainly will be some interesting books written about celebrity, gender and abuse in the 70s and 80s. Intersting, but very grim.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
I've tidied it up somewhat.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Be the first time Strangeways has been able to fund it's own Variety Club minibus.
yes, I deleted the name of the mega-famous US teen idol, whose willing conquests were lined up by roadies ready and undressed, in a book they are described as 'canned goods'
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
'Funny', isn't it, how the bread & circus crowd continue to be outed, but the actual abuse by tories like Morrison et 'al' remains effectively tucked away from public gaze.
Who is Morrison?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
oooh Matron!
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elbows
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Peter Morrison deceased parliamentary private secretary to Thatcher, whose name came up during the height of the North Wales childrens home sex abuse stuff last year. Rather than me try and repeat whats been said before, searching u75 for his name should yield some results. But in a nutshell Edwina Currie mentioned that he was well known to sleep with boys, it was reported that he received a caution for cottaging 16 year olds, and some have implicated him in the Wales stuff. We will have to wait and see if he comes up again with more detail when the various investigations report back.
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