Question Time tonight

[Who PhD]

I don't really know what else I can do here. Do you want me to meet up with you and we'll go to his house together or something?

No, i want you to link me to the exact post that proves the point you're trying to make in the thread you told me to read.

If you don't know how to do that or can't understand how that's the logical progression of our conversation then you probably shouldn't engge in discussion.

 

[Who PhD]

I think, as always, it's a waste of fucking time.

Much like your lame contributions.

 

[J Ed]

No, i want you to link me to the exact post that proves the point you're trying to make in the thread you told me to read.

If you don't know how to do that or can't understand how that's the logical progression of our conversation then you probably shouldn't engge in discussion.

You have already been pointed to the main criticisms made on that thread and I have given a more specific example of how The Canary employs a 9/11 truther. Actually as recently as last year she went on a David Icke programme as The Canary editor, she is very much still well within that orbit.

 

[frogwoman]

It's fucking depressing that all this shit has infiltrated the left to such an extent. And then on the other hand there are all those conspiracy theories about Russia and Putin that the liberal end of the commentariat want to believe.

 

[frogwoman]

You have already been pointed to the main criticisms made on that thread and I have given a more specific example of how The Canary employs a 9/11 truther. Actually as recently as recently as last year she went on a David Icke programme as The Canary editor, she is very much still well within that orbit.

Shit really?

 

[J Ed]

Shit really?

Yes, I just listened to the first bit good god it's just such banal, meaningless shit as well. She is awful.

 

[butchersapron]

You have already been pointed to the main criticisms made on that thread and I have given a more specific example of how The Canary employs a 9/11 truther. Actually as recently as last year she went on a David Icke programme as The Canary editor, she is very much still well within that orbit.

And of course anti-semites like atzmon often appear on that particular show. And he has himself, while seeming to attack anti-semitism, in fact offered a defence of it.

People associating with these types who think they are on our side are a) wrong and b) drawing a great big fucking target on our sides back.

 

[chilango]

It's fucking depressing that all this shit has infiltrated the left to such an extent. And then on the other hand there are all those conspiracy theories about Russia and Putin that the liberal end of the commentariat want to believe.

It clearly shows how weak, isolated and small the soi dissant Left is.

A Left rooted in communities and workplaces and active in everyday life would fuck this sort of nonsense off pretty damn quick.

 

[smokedout]

The government’s own statistics show that between 2010 and 2011 10,600 sick and disabled people died within six weeks of their Atos assessment.

This is not true, Mendoza knows it's not true, but continues to repeat it.

It was revealed this week that disabled people are now to face the 21st century version of the Workhouse, with the UK government requiring them to attend live in residential ‘training’ scheme, anywhere in the country they are required and to perform mandatory workfare placements while they are there. If they refuse, they lose their social security.

Both quotes from this nonsense

This is also not true. Mendoza knows it's know true because it was pointed out to her. She did not amend her post, but did remove the link she originally posted which showed it wasn't true. So she lies, knowingly. And that should be enough to completely discredit any claims she might make to be a journalist, she's a lazy half baked propagandist, no different to Breitbart, less integrity than the Daily Mail, who at least pretend to maintain journalistic rigour. More than that her repeated lies about welfare reforms, lies she told to make money, are actively harmful at a time when a lot of people are worried about the future or trying to challenge things that relate to their own claims. She's a fucking parasite who couldn't give a flying fuck about the consequences of the nonsense she publishes as long as her ego keeps being stoked and her bank balance gets bigger.

And her polticial analysis is shit. And she's a loon who hasn't just cosied up to Icke but been a big advocate for the Zeitgeist bollocks.

 

[butchersapron]

I suppose this should be dumped here. Yes, i know it's bob pitt, but he has them bang to rights in the examples.

Does this add up to being the equivalent of the mass media? No.

Does it help us? No.

 

[Who PhD]

You have already been pointed to the main criticisms made on that thread and I have given a more specific example of how The Canary employs a 9/11 truther. Actually as recently as last year she went on a David Icke programme as The Canary editor, she is very much still well within that orbit.

You didn't answer the question, if the answers were provided it was in spite of your reticence to evidence your own position. You've repeatedly asserted that they havehired a truther, but you haven't established how and why that is a problem.

What was the programme she went on and what did she say that was problematic? Given that people follow Icke there's a credible argument that appearing on a probramme, without knowing the details (which is the point), helps to reach out and draw people to left politics.

It shouldn't be this difficult to get important details and expecting me to just agree with your assertion that she's toxic on the basis of simply making it is utterly ridiculous. It's the height of arrogance.

 

[Who PhD]

This is not true, Mendoza knows it's not true, but continues to repeat it.



Both quotes from this nonsense

This is also not true. Mendoza knows it's know true because it was pointed out to her. She did not amend her post, but did remove the link she originally posted which showed it wasn't true. So she lies, knowingly. And that should be enough to completely discredit any claims she might make to be a journalist, she's a lazy half baked propagandist, no different to Breitbart, less integrity than the Daily Mail, who at least pretend to maintain journalistic rigour. More than that her repeated lies about welfare reforms, lies she told to make money, are actively harmful at a time when a lot of people are worried about the future or trying to challenge things that relate to their own claims. She's a fucking parasite who couldn't give a flying fuck about the consequences of the nonsense she publishes as long as her ego keeps being stoked and her bank balance gets bigger.

And her polticial analysis is shit. And she's a loon who hasn't just cosied up to Icke but been a big advocate for the Zeitgeist bollocks.

When?

 

[killer b]

I suppose this should be dumped here. Yes, i know it's bob pitt, but he has them bang to rights in the examples.

Does this add up to being the equivalent of the mass media? No.

Does it help us? No.

agreed, but they are influential and arguing against them last month was like trying to hold back the tide.

 

[butchersapron]

agreed, but they are influential and arguing against them last month was like trying to hold back the tide.

I've not argued that they're not influential - just that they're shit. It's exactly their influence that i'm worried about.

 

[chilango]

I've been questioning their influnec (on the other thread too) but worth noting that the left is small enough, weak enough and isolated enough to be vulnerable to this kinda shit.

The Left doesn't have the roots and base that would shrug this nonsense off, andd increasingly seems to based on exactly the terrain where this crap does have some influence.

I've been sating that I don't see anything from the canry or AAV or whatever IRL. But then the Left isn't there either. They're all someplace else.

 

[J Ed]

You didn't answer the question, if the answers were provided it was in spite of your reticence to evidence your own position. You've repeatedly asserted that they havehired a truther, but you haven't established how and why that is a problem.

What was the programme she went on and what did she say that was problematic? Given that people follow Icke there's a credible argument that appearing on a probramme, without knowing the details (which is the point), helps to reach out and draw people to left politics.

It shouldn't be this difficult to get important details and expecting me to just agree with your assertion that she's toxic on the basis of simply making it is utterly ridiculous. It's the height of arrogance.

Oh just fuck off then.

 

[Who PhD]

Oh just fuck off then.

Grow up you daft cunt

 

[J Ed]

Grow up you daft cunt

Surprised you didn't ask me for a definition of the words fuck off and what they might possibly mean in context.

 

[killer b]

Oh just fuck off then.

like I said. shall we all move on now?

 

[frogwoman]

I also only ever used to see that stuff online /in political stuff but increasingly its reach goes way beyond those circles.

 

[danny la rouge]

Given that people follow Icke there's a credible argument that appearing on a probramme, without knowing the details (which is the point), helps to reach out and draw people to left politics.

No there isn't.

In any case, she doesn't challenge the host: it's a chummy pals act. It's clear they both feel they are part of the same milieu.

 

[frogwoman]

No it doesn't if she's not arguing with him

If she appeared on one of Tommy Robinsons YouTube videos would that help draw more people into the left??

 

[frogwoman]

Or would it be a signal that she was willing to accept his racism cos he said something nice about corbyn once?

 

[Ax^]

Fox getting a grilling tonight


i like it

 

[Fedayn]

Anyone else clock the former Urban and matb poster on QT tonight?

 

[Calamity1971]

Living within are means
3p expenses for driving one hundred metres. Oh dear Liam

 

[belboid]

Anyone else clock the former Urban and matb poster on QT tonight?

oh, dammit, you've made me want to watch it now. Hmm, from Hastings..there's one or two clear contenders...

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Genuinely moronic audience tonight. Absolute pricks.

 

[JimW]

Jesus, these sick platitudes.

 

[Ax^]

Hasting is a odd town...

a lot of poverty and feeling like they are forgotten

plus its near Dover..

too many cunts in the audience mind