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Question Time tonight

Sprocket. said:
Has I have posted before I will not watch this programme. Was in the audience once and it is so controlled and contrived it is laughable that they market it as serious debate!
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And as I have doubtless posted, for me the worst thing about it is that it is so bloody pompous, despite being so contrived and narrow. It really purveys a sense of being the bee's knees and just about everyone there is caught up in the illusion.
 
J Ed said:
It's odd how Dimbleby deliberately requested a comment that would confirm the idea that Corbyn hates Britain, the comment had nothing to do with the question but made Labour look bad so they broadcast it anyway
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And, anyway, everybody knows that it's Zac Goldsmith and Tom Watson who hated Brittan
 
Deb was back in , from (another/different) friend-meetup from mine, not that long before I got back.

And she'd left QT on. I turned it off immediately, because she'd fallen asleep after her takeaway ;)

And much more, because I fucking hate Tories talking shite :mad:
 
As usual, I didn't watch it...but the thing doing the rounds on social media is the tory voter getting angry and teary about working tax credits cut, and how she's been shafted. Tory MP (Rudd?) looks incredibly rattled.

At one level, this doesnt matter fuck because they still appear to have 4 1/2 years to utterly shaft us and enrich their friends/donors.

But the debate among lefties has been about how much we should sympathise with a tory voter.

This is kinda interesting but may miss the bigger point: This policy, aka "Working Penalty" can be the first major crisis of this government. We can defeat it (I beleive). Even The Sun is against it. If we can force a U turn it might put some of the fuss-about-little froth about Labour "crisis" in its place. This is a weak and disgusting government whose only real competence is for rancid sociopathy, corruption and propaganda. This issue is damn good chance to shake the tree, long after the whys and wherefores of some tory voting dupe are forgotten.
 
To be honest I would like to see every single one of those who voted Tory and their families in the same state, broken down and in tears at some point during this parliament.
Let them see and be reminded of what Tories do.

Edit: I didn't watch QT by the way, I refuse to, saw said crying Tory voter on BBC news website.
 
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killer b said:
where is that debate happening? I seem to have missed it.
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On the main Corbyn facebook discussion group several people seem to be arguing that she deserves everything she gets for voting for the Tories in the first place.

While I understand the sentiment of being upset at people who thought 'I'll vote Tory because they will protect me and only punish the unemployed and disabled etc' the idea that you would actually refuse to accept someone belatedly realising that they were wrong is really, really stupid.
 
J Ed said:
the idea that you would actually refuse to accept someone belatedly realising that they were wrong is really, really stupid.
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or giving them a telling off :facepalm: .


'I tell you that there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who do not need to repent.'
 
The Right give 'apostates' newspaper columns and book deals, they don't do it out of the generosity of their nature.
 
Sprocket. said:
To be honest I would like to see every single one of those who voted Tory and their families in the same state, broken down and in tears at some point during this parliament.
Let them see and be reminded of what Tories do.
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I did feel a bit of schadenfreude watching that tory-voting woman getting all upset, but for every one of them who gets fucked over by Osbourne's cuts there will be so many others who have no culpability for their plight, so it's hard to enjoy it that much.

And ultimately, we need as many working class tory voters as possible to get to the same point she has. And villifying such people would be a massive own goal.
 
My first reaction to the clip from BBCQT with the lady who voted tory who is losing her tax credits was one of small admiration but little sympathy. I thought to myself you reap what you sow. But on reflexion my attitude has changed and I'm glad about that. She and her children now face poverty, how could I not have sympathy for her, I know what she is facing, I like so so many others have lived where her and her children are heading, the truth is I wouldn't wish that on any one. I will state here and admit to being a little ashamed of myself for my first reaction to it. We need to fight to help her and every one in her position regardles of how they voted, they are still human beings, they will still feel the hard grasp of poverty no matter who they voted. Her only error was to belive the lies that this poor excuse for a goverment told, she was sucked in by a convincing media. We must show and exercise compassion for all those who suffer hardship, love and tolerance are much better attributes than bitterness and resentment. We must show that lady and indeed the millions of others in the same position the hand of friendship, any thing less would be a betrayal of our compassion and an insult to unity.
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wise and measured post on social media.
 
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